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Is FSD 11.3.6 out of Beta?
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E90alex
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E90alex
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Can also think of it like Apple iOS beta versions.
They have developer betas which are more limited and only for a smaller group of developers/testers, then they have more stable public beta versions which anyone can install.
11.3.6 is the public beta
11.4.X is the “developer” beta
Good explanations guys
Appreciate the patience for us FSD newbies
Newbie questions, sorry
If a vehicle is on 11.3, it only receives features from 11.4? Seems 11.3.6 has been stuck for a while but, 11.4 keeps going as we are waiting for 11.4.7. When will 11.3 be updated? What number rev will it get?
When we hear the nirvana FSD is “12”, how does 11.3 and 11.4 get there?
Will 11.4 become 12.4 and likewise for 11.3, become 12.3? And the paths keep going in parallel?
The only problem with that analogy is that 11.4.X has a ridiculous amount of Testers and more than 11.3.6 for a longshot.
11.3 won't be updated again except for a major bug fix. Those testers are waiting for 11.4.X or 11.5.X...they may be completely out of the testing pool.
11.4 will become 11.5 and all the way up until 12.0 comes out. 10.X went from 10.1 to 10.2.....etc 10.69 (really 10.13).
Here is the track so far:
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Those of us who mangle the Beta hang out, these days, on the fsd-11.x thread. Before that, it was the 10.x thread, and so on.
Tesla, as you've probably figured out, doesn't really tell anybody anything except for the odd Tweets from Elon, which tend to be uniformly non-informative. From time to time there's an, "AI day" or "automation day" or some such.
So, being human, we read tea leaves, pretty much like those people who used to look at where Politburo people stood during the annual military parades and, from that, tried to figure out who was Up and who was Down in a given year. Heck of a way to run a government and, well, with the FSD-b stuff, there's not much to keep people informed.
As they say, "Past performance is not indicative of future performance", so what follows is nothing but sheer guessing.
First off, 11.3.6 ended up being installed on the "mainline" releases. None of us know if this was a mistake or not; but, apparently, once the mainline release versions got past where the 11.4.x versions were sitting, well, past observations say There's No Going Back. Those of us who got onto the 11.4.x versions (2023.7.[15][20][26]) are now far behind the rest of the fleet which are running, typically, 2023.[12][20].x. And all those guys have got the creature features (minor UI improvements, mainly) that those of us on the 11.4.x thread have no access to. So, if you're running anything to and beyond 2023.12.x, you're not going to see 11.4.x, at least, at present.
What has happened in the past is that those who wanted in on the FSD-b had to (a) pay for FSD, (b) request the Beta, and then (c) reject any and all new Tesla versions until, anywhere from days to months later, Tesla put out a version of FSD-b that was on a Tesla version with a higher number than the one on the car that was waiting. People have noted that this often happened shortly before Christmas, the thinking being that Tesla wanted everybody (not just the main line people) to get the blinking lights and so on. Having said that, it used to happen roughly once every three months or so, but there's a lot of variation. And Tesla's not talking.
We have heard tea leaves falling; Musk has said that 12.x is currently in development. That might be construed to mean that 11.x isn't going to see any further releases; except, shortly after Musk saying that, 11.4.6 got released. And then stalled with maybe a few hundred users.
There's a rumor of a major change coming, namely, end-to-end neural networking for all driving tasks. Whether that's going to be done to 11.x or 12.x users is currently unknown. But that's under the "rumor" category.
It's been noted that there hasn't been a new point release for a bit over a month now (I think). Some have taken this to mean that It's The End Of The World, Or That Tesla Is Stuck, and so on. Others have pointed out that there's been long delays between point release that exceed a couple of months before now, so why get excited?
Final note. Each point release, at least from my perspective, has shown improvements that make the car drive better. There's been "regressions"; but I haven't seen that many. It's nice to see the SW people at Tesla doing productive work.
But: None of the software to this date is Ready For Prime Time. If anybody out there thinks that they're getting FSD-for-real with only a couple of minor bugs, they need to be disabused: Every version of FSD-b that I've come in contact with makes mistakes of the, "Death, Destruction, and Accidents" varieties on any given drive. Fewer than it used to; but nobody is reading books in the back seat while the car drives itself. Our Purpose, as FSD-b drivers, is to provide testing and feedback to Tesla so the product can be improved.
So, if you like new, shiny things with bugs galore and want to move the FSD-b effort forward, sure, request the Beta, wait, and you'll get something that'll scare the gee-whillerkers out of you. And will work reasonably well when it's not channeling Bela Lugosi. If you're thinking it'll drive you across the landscape without you paying serious attention, all the time, then, please, don't do it.
Tesla, as you've probably figured out, doesn't really tell anybody anything except for the odd Tweets from Elon, which tend to be uniformly non-informative. From time to time there's an, "AI day" or "automation day" or some such.
So, being human, we read tea leaves, pretty much like those people who used to look at where Politburo people stood during the annual military parades and, from that, tried to figure out who was Up and who was Down in a given year. Heck of a way to run a government and, well, with the FSD-b stuff, there's not much to keep people informed.
As they say, "Past performance is not indicative of future performance", so what follows is nothing but sheer guessing.
First off, 11.3.6 ended up being installed on the "mainline" releases. None of us know if this was a mistake or not; but, apparently, once the mainline release versions got past where the 11.4.x versions were sitting, well, past observations say There's No Going Back. Those of us who got onto the 11.4.x versions (2023.7.[15][20][26]) are now far behind the rest of the fleet which are running, typically, 2023.[12][20].x. And all those guys have got the creature features (minor UI improvements, mainly) that those of us on the 11.4.x thread have no access to. So, if you're running anything to and beyond 2023.12.x, you're not going to see 11.4.x, at least, at present.
What has happened in the past is that those who wanted in on the FSD-b had to (a) pay for FSD, (b) request the Beta, and then (c) reject any and all new Tesla versions until, anywhere from days to months later, Tesla put out a version of FSD-b that was on a Tesla version with a higher number than the one on the car that was waiting. People have noted that this often happened shortly before Christmas, the thinking being that Tesla wanted everybody (not just the main line people) to get the blinking lights and so on. Having said that, it used to happen roughly once every three months or so, but there's a lot of variation. And Tesla's not talking.
We have heard tea leaves falling; Musk has said that 12.x is currently in development. That might be construed to mean that 11.x isn't going to see any further releases; except, shortly after Musk saying that, 11.4.6 got released. And then stalled with maybe a few hundred users.
There's a rumor of a major change coming, namely, end-to-end neural networking for all driving tasks. Whether that's going to be done to 11.x or 12.x users is currently unknown. But that's under the "rumor" category.
It's been noted that there hasn't been a new point release for a bit over a month now (I think). Some have taken this to mean that It's The End Of The World, Or That Tesla Is Stuck, and so on. Others have pointed out that there's been long delays between point release that exceed a couple of months before now, so why get excited?
Final note. Each point release, at least from my perspective, has shown improvements that make the car drive better. There's been "regressions"; but I haven't seen that many. It's nice to see the SW people at Tesla doing productive work.
But: None of the software to this date is Ready For Prime Time. If anybody out there thinks that they're getting FSD-for-real with only a couple of minor bugs, they need to be disabused: Every version of FSD-b that I've come in contact with makes mistakes of the, "Death, Destruction, and Accidents" varieties on any given drive. Fewer than it used to; but nobody is reading books in the back seat while the car drives itself. Our Purpose, as FSD-b drivers, is to provide testing and feedback to Tesla so the product can be improved.
So, if you like new, shiny things with bugs galore and want to move the FSD-b effort forward, sure, request the Beta, wait, and you'll get something that'll scare the gee-whillerkers out of you. And will work reasonably well when it's not channeling Bela Lugosi. If you're thinking it'll drive you across the landscape without you paying serious attention, all the time, then, please, don't do it.
If it was a mistake then it was at the management level. Engineers don't accidentally integrate software unless their code management is a joke.
That said, 2023.26.7 seems to be rolling out quickly and Teslafi shows it not having a version of FSD beta. Perhaps it's an effort to erase the 11 line of development in anticipation of the 12 line eventually becoming available.
I certainly take it that way. Why release any more versions of 11 if it's a dead end? The only reason I could imagine is if they have some kind of important change in the works that isn't related to the control system, but they want some customer test time with it. It seems like they're taking a breather while they figure out how to train the new neural net control system.
I'd be so disappointed if I had been working on the heuristic control system for the last couple years. Lots of hard work tossed into the bit bucket.
2023.26.7 has 11.3.6. Teslafi waits like a month before tagging them for whatever reason.
At the moment, what with what's being reported at Teslafi.com, it appears that there's a move to, first, get everybody on a pre-11.4.4 release up to 11.4.4.
In addition, a bunch of testers who've been doing our thing with 11.4.4 (and running a 2023.7.x release) are getting moved to 11.4.7, which is currently the latest and greatest and we're starting to see the YouTubers' reports. Which are, as usual, wildly positive. But given YouTubers, that just might be their bias or something real. Ask in a week and we'll know more.
In the meantime, Musk has tweeted that 12.x will be moving to employees, "in a couple of weeks". There's no doubt that the "moving to employees" part is true, just that the "couple of weeks" is probably wildly off, given Musk's general inaccuracy in release prediction. So, a couple of weeks is probably a minimum, a couple of months might be a maximum, and the rest is, "Who knows?"
The general sane consensus is that Tesla, on 11.x.x, is moving more and more hunks of coded software into NN software and, additionally, is fixing bugs as fast as they can go. (Which is never fast enough for a lot of people, but such is life.) 12.x seems to be a step change to Mostly NN; a recent driving demo, complete with commentary from Musk and a Tesla insider, was posted on X a couple of days ago and seems to indicate a lot less C++ code and a lot more NN, with good general results so far.
And that's the Tea Leaves Reading Session for the Day.
In addition, a bunch of testers who've been doing our thing with 11.4.4 (and running a 2023.7.x release) are getting moved to 11.4.7, which is currently the latest and greatest and we're starting to see the YouTubers' reports. Which are, as usual, wildly positive. But given YouTubers, that just might be their bias or something real. Ask in a week and we'll know more.
In the meantime, Musk has tweeted that 12.x will be moving to employees, "in a couple of weeks". There's no doubt that the "moving to employees" part is true, just that the "couple of weeks" is probably wildly off, given Musk's general inaccuracy in release prediction. So, a couple of weeks is probably a minimum, a couple of months might be a maximum, and the rest is, "Who knows?"
The general sane consensus is that Tesla, on 11.x.x, is moving more and more hunks of coded software into NN software and, additionally, is fixing bugs as fast as they can go. (Which is never fast enough for a lot of people, but such is life.) 12.x seems to be a step change to Mostly NN; a recent driving demo, complete with commentary from Musk and a Tesla insider, was posted on X a couple of days ago and seems to indicate a lot less C++ code and a lot more NN, with good general results so far.
And that's the Tea Leaves Reading Session for the Day.
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