jonnynobones
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With reports that Tesla is going back to radar over Tesla Vision next year, what happens to those of us with new cars that don't have USS? And what about the stupid (me) folks that bought Enhanced Autopilot.
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This. I'm going to wait til this problem is resolved before ordering. This will be my first Tesla but I'm in no rush to buy so waiting isn't an issue.Not the right attitude if you just dropped $70k on a car. After reading about this no uss issue, im thinking about postponing or canceling my order because of this. Having a working parking sensor is a basic feature in 2022. It’s an inexcusable anti customer move.
Eating my own words a bit though - still taking delivery of my Tesla tomorrow because my current car is falling apart and more expensive to repair than sell after 14 years.This. I'm going to wait til this problem is resolved before ordering. This will be my first Tesla but I'm in no rush to buy so waiting isn't an issue.
It’s a bloody scandal! I didn’t know this or I would not have bought the carModerator note: The title of this thread has been edited from the original.
I just found out that my car was not equipped with the USS features, but has not transitioned over to the new tesla vision. So currently has not safety features like parking assist or sensors, not blindspot alerts, no summons or really minimum self driving features. This is a 2023 with no safety. What do I do??
I agreeI get the move away from USS, but I live in the UK in a driveway surrounded by limestone walls, the only way to park without sensors is to get a family member to help. For a new "luxury" car this is hopeless! It was not made aware that this feature would not be available, otherwise I would not have picked it up! Why hide it? Hopeless...
This is Tesla’s logic but it falls apart when you factor in that human brain is magnitudes more sophisticated than FSD and can compensate for the lack of sensors. And that is not necessary true because lack of sensors (e.g. short/nearsightedness, missing an eye or hearing) is still noted as impediment.Our world has a precedent that a human with ONE EYE is safe to drive on public roads. We humans don't have LIDAR, we don't have RADAR, we can't see through fog, we can't see under cars, we have numerous blind spots, and we can't do real-time path prediction on a thousand separate objects at once. But we call that human ability acceptable for driving, even when it is monocular and lacks direct depth perception.
Presumably you have discovered the function that puts the camera views on screen? And overlays the path the car is going to follow when you reverse on the rear view? And you have wing mirrors?I get the move away from USS, but I live in the UK in a driveway surrounded by limestone walls, the only way to park without sensors is to get a family member to help. For a new "luxury" car this is hopeless! It was not made aware that this feature would not be available, otherwise I would not have picked it up! Why hide it? Hopeless...
FSD actually does this too. One of the sections of the AI day discussion talks about how the car deals with parts of its view that are occluded (other cars/trees/street furniture, etc) and it models things that could have happened in the spaces it can't see and factors that in to its planning. Timestamp And unlike a human, it should operate on a real probability model, not one based on recollections of that one time you did a thing and either it paid off/turned out badly enough to make you remember it.In reality, fMRI scans of human brains are quite interesting because we not only subconsciously track a lot of objects but also predict their behavior - on a scale much larger than the “occupancy network”. The thing is that we even anticipate things we haven’t seen yet.
I think is a combination of what was once there and still there on cars a few months older + the uncertainty on how non USS cars is to function. Customers basically feels like Beta testers without opting into becoming a Beta tester. Non USS car owners also didn't get any kind of reimbursement for missing a feature that is present on majority of similar cars so you feel as if you paid for something that you didn't get kind of thing.Presumably you have discovered the function that puts the camera views on screen? And overlays the path the car is going to follow when you reverse on the rear view? And you have wing mirrors?
I genuinely have trouble understanding the hyperbole on these USS threads. Removing them from orders already in progress is a dick move, to be sure, but from these posts anyone would think that the car was literally unusable.
The point is that it is still quite primitive compared to how humans do it. Hence, the “beta” designation that will stay for quite some time.FSD actually does this too. One of the sections of the AI day discussion talks about how the car deals with parts of its view that are occluded (other cars/trees/street furniture, etc) and it models things that could have happened in the spaces it can't see and factors that in to its planning. Timestamp And unlike a human, it should operate on a real probability model, not one based on recollections of that one time you did a thing and either it paid off/turned out badly enough to make you remember it.
People are generally hyperbolic and those on Internet forums even more so. I don’t have the USS sensors. I wish they had a fix before removing them, but the car is great and easy enough to park. Now the people that paid for FSD and still don’t have it, they have something to complain about. I just assumed it would never work for the lifetime of this car and was pleasantly surprised to see the TACC and AS work on almost all streets; I thought they were limited to highways.I genuinely have trouble understanding the hyperbole on these USS threads.
I agree, I wouldn't buy FSD.People are generally hyperbolic and those on Internet forums even more so. I don’t have the USS sensors. I wish they had a fix before removing them, but the car is great and easy enough to park. Now the people that paid for FSD and still don’t have it, they have something to complain about. I just assumed it would never work for the lifetime of this car and was pleasantly surprised to see the TACC and AS work on almost all streets; I thought they were limited to highways.
In real terms it's still basically in the lab at the moment, so how well it performs remains to be be seen, I grant you.The point is that it is still quite primitive compared to how humans do it. Hence, the “beta” designation that will stay for quite some time.
Very much agree. The main issue I have is that FSD beta efforts affect the non-FSD part of the car.I agree, I wouldn't buy FSD.
I think Tesla are doing some really incredible things in their efforts to achieve FSD but whether they're going to get there any time soon (or even if they're going to get there at all - this is cutting edge stuff after all) very much remains to be seen. Given how immature EVs are at present I only plan to hold on to this one for a couple of years and then upgrade to whatever the leading edge is at that time and there's basically zero chance of FSD doing anything useful in the UK in that timeframe.
What is the final goal?In real terms it's still basically in the lab at the moment, so how well it performs remains to be be seen, I grant you.
I'm not sure I'd call it primitive though. Humans are very good at solving novel problems and being creative, but computers have 360 degree awareness, perfect concentration and memory recall, an ability to exactly compute trajectories and velocities and the benefit of millions of real world experiences from which to determine outcome probabilities.
If you're driving along when there's a spontaneous flood, alien invasion or something that the self driving software has never encountered before, then yeah I'd bet on a human to do better than a car. If it's 'is it safe to take this gap across 6 lanes of traffic with patchy visibility' (like the model in that AI day presentation) then a computer will eventually be better at it.
I think we're already beyond that actually.Without clearly defined goal success is also murky.