Aha! I've found a loophole! It would be better to defer and then immediately inform them that you now want to "move forward". You'll get the car sooner!
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Aha! I've found a loophole! It would be better to defer and then immediately inform them that you now want to "move forward". You'll get the car sooner!
pretty
..about delays...what delays? everything is on track. everything is going to be OK
what dimension does everyone live in? wall street/media/'news'? really
my wife was called by the internet/cable company and they asked why we don't have cable?
She replied' we don't have a tv'
and he said 'how do you get you information?'
Trnsl8r
I thought that for almost 1 day
but I was busy and I know what I want - now it will be mine
110K is pretty damn steep - so I will be sure to smile (like I can help it) everywhere I drive
and I plan to drive 100K in 5 years to make it all worth it!
HA tv? are you joking???? information??? HA
just went through that when i received my email today. initial excitement, and then oh Sh...!! sitting on the road in my hotel room, facetime on with my wife who is at home and trying to follow along on the screen, and every box i am checking we are both saying, that is more than our first house!! but i think i am now more excited than ever.
Todd Burch
14-Year Member
Who else from Tesla responds in these forums other than GeorgeB? I never got a reply from the letter I emailed to Tesla a few weeks ago. Clearly calls and emails to Tesla reps yield wildly different answers...so where else are we to get the information? There are tons of people here who have now committed to purchasing an expensive car, and we're getting wildly different answers as to when we should expect to take receipt.
I'm a Tesla fan...but I don't think it's embarassing at all to be asking for official updates on progress, when we've given an interest free loan and taken the chance on them.
I don't believe that the price will go up. Heck, I think they might even still hit their 5,000 production goal. It's again about radio silence. Are they doing anything ethically wrong by not communicating much to us? No. But it doesn't leave a great taste in my mouth. Just my opinion.
bonnie
I play a nice person on twitter.
I think my point must have been unclear. I was talking about the request for George B to step in to stop the wild speculation. We should all be able to control that ourselves. I DID clearly state that if people wanted more information, to ask for it.
Todd Burch
14-Year Member
Agreed...I'm not expecting GeorgeB to respond to these things on TMC. I'd just like to see more communication...and consistent communication...coming from Tesla. I can deal with delays, but when everyone's getting different responses from Tesla reps it's not confidence-inducing.
Tesla has proven they can build kick-a@@ cars. I don't think they've proven themselves on the communication front yet
Norbert
TSLA will win
+1
GeorgeB's blog post was just 11 days ago, and everyone said it was great. (I think.)
SCW-Greg
Active Member
What's the non-refundable $10k? Did I miss something? Is this new?
I don't see any price increase in the next 12 months for Tesla... they need to keep their momentum up. (edited)
Edit: Oh I see Larry answered (I believe) that the $10k non-refundable is for Sig holders, not for standard production res holders.
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Norbert
TSLA will win
How about stopping the dooms day predictions, especially those based on nothing but someone saying that if you defer, you are subject to any changes being made on what is offered? (That should actually be self-evident.)
When reserving, Signature requires a refundable deposit of $40k. When configuring and finalizing the MVPA paperwork, $10k of that becomes non-refundable.
Apparently, for non-Signature the original $5k reservation becomes non-refundable (and there is no additional $5k required at that point in time).
SCW-Greg
Active Member
I agree. My bad. I should have worded that better... Let's just say, I certainly do not see any price increases happening in the next year!
Arnold Panz
Model Sig 304, VIN 542
Agreed...I'm not expecting GeorgeB to respond to these things on TMC. I'd just like to see more communication...and consistent communication...coming from Tesla. I can deal with delays, but when everyone's getting different responses from Tesla reps it's not confidence-inducing.
Tesla has proven they can build kick-a@@ cars. I don't think they've proven themselves on the communication front yet
Very well stated, Todd. In the absence of one official word/statement on progress, we get vastly different reports and speculation. This is communications 101, that in the absence of any news the void is often filled with junk. When I talk to folks at Tesla and ask them questions, I basically preface it with "I know internet message boards are not the best source of reliable information, but right now it's all I've got, and I'm reading that........"
I'm very hopeful that six months from now I'll read these posts and be embarrassed by my present concerns, but in the meantime I'd love to get some semi-regular official updates so the speculation and varied "unofficial" responses could go away.
FWIW, I don't think Tesla's communications issues have anything to do with their ability to make great cars -- fortunately, those who build the cars have nothing to do with the people who communicate with customers. I just think that Tesla may have underestimated the need to over-communicate at this late stage in the process, and instead they're probably erring on the side of under-communicating.
gg_got_a_tesla
Model S: VIN 65513, Model 3: VIN 1913
Arnold, Todd, I get you. I've been in this for almost as long as you guys and am really hoping to get the car by the end of the year. I'm so ready to stop driving my friend's beater Camry in the meantime to haul the family around (wife's Mini cannot haul 5) - an unfortunate result of that was the condescending attitude I got from one of the Tesla reps at the Palo Alto test drive event last Sunday as I drove up; that in itself was a surprise.
I've pointed this out before on another thread. There has been enormous 'ramp-up' on the hiring front at Tesla - ownership experience advocates, product specialists and such. However, not all of them are as passionate, well-informed and, dare I say, talented nowadays as some of the long-timers at Tesla. And, there clearly is a missing/weak channel of communication down to these foot soldiers who are on the frontlines with us customers. Someone like GeorgeB clearly doesn't have the bandwidth to stay on top of regular communications with customers, even via broadcast means such as blog posts, but, atleast internally, they ought to do a better job of keeping the troops (and consequently us) informed.
Lastly, being in Tesla's backyard, many of us in Calif. may not feel as jittery as folks further out. Heck, maybe, we are even desensitized to the way Silicon Valley works (and slips on product deliveries, as a rule). At the end of it all, if we all get a 'perfect' car (and, not a sub-par Karma), maybe, all this handwringing would be worth it.
I've pointed this out before on another thread. There has been enormous 'ramp-up' on the hiring front at Tesla - ownership experience advocates, product specialists and such. However, not all of them are as passionate, well-informed and, dare I say, talented nowadays as some of the long-timers at Tesla. And, there clearly is a missing/weak channel of communication down to these foot soldiers who are on the frontlines with us customers. Someone like GeorgeB clearly doesn't have the bandwidth to stay on top of regular communications with customers, even via broadcast means such as blog posts, but, atleast internally, they ought to do a better job of keeping the troops (and consequently us) informed.
Lastly, being in Tesla's backyard, many of us in Calif. may not feel as jittery as folks further out. Heck, maybe, we are even desensitized to the way Silicon Valley works (and slips on product deliveries, as a rule). At the end of it all, if we all get a 'perfect' car (and, not a sub-par Karma), maybe, all this handwringing would be worth it.
Norbert
TSLA will win
As I see it, the way this will unfold is that whatever Tesla does,
this will continue until we have 2 or 3 frequent posters with Model S delivered and happy to discuss every little detail here on this forum.
this will continue until we have 2 or 3 frequent posters with Model S delivered and happy to discuss every little detail here on this forum.
Kipernicus
Model S Res#P1440
Trnsl8r, when we got the email it triggered the first real serious discussion about how much this will really cost. Up till now it's been fascination and longing, but now we must commit! very scary, and no we haven't finalized yet.
George actually predicted this some time ago by saying that the rampup for production would be "PAINFULLY SLOW" for some.
strider
Active Member
I agree. When the first SSL's that are active here report in and everyone can fire questions at them our attention will turn from spazzing about non-existent price increases (which they have to tell you about ckessel - it's just standard business practice like only guaranteeing quotes for 30 days or whatever. Don't read lawyer CYA as a planned event.) to how great the car is how jealous everyone is of those folks as they get their cars.
It seems like there was a huge wave of Finalize Your Order emails within the last couple days. I'm in the low 2000's and there were people above 3000 getting that same email. Is this a sign of concern that Tesla is even more cash strapped than ever and needing those non-refundable deposits and commitments?
The reason I'm deferring is for a number of reasons.
+ I only got to drive a Performance version of the car in colors/accents that I do not intend to get. I simply refuse to lock in my order until I can drive the non-perf versions and be able to see the car in the color I anticipate purchasing in the flesh.
+ It's simply too early. We have yet to hear more about owners' personal experiences with the car. Sure the reviews were mostly all glowing, but most of those were based on 15 minutes of driving it. I want to hear more about the car and any possible quirks or issues with it.
+ There are many unfinished aspects of the car. Many features are not included yet (and will be via firmware upgrade), but I'd rather wait and accept delivery when the car is virtually complete, versus accepting a car that is unfinished and unpolished.
+ The interior is unsatisfactory. Primarily due to its lack of concealable storage, rear seat pockets, side door pockets, and rear cup holders. This is perhaps the biggie for me. I honestly don't anticipate locking in my order until the interior is improved upon. Whether that means waiting 6 months, 1 year, or even longer. I don't need the Model S. I merely want it. I have a perfectly acceptable car at the moment, that I already hardly drive. I won't settle for a second rate interior when I'm about to plop down a huge sum of money for something I already have a hard time justifying buying.
I think you are coloring that fact way on the dark side. They simply don't want to run out of finalized MVPAs until end of year.
Then deferral is the right thing for you to do.
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