willow_hiller
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Might be when the Livestream starts for those of us without tickets.
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Launch is Imminent
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Might be when the Livestream starts for those of us without tickets.
So I just leased a R1TQM picking up on Wednesday and the payment terms are crazy! They also let you purchase at EOL. I saw the CT in person and was not impressed...
Tesla Cybertruck Payload Capacity 29% Less Than Promised - Clean Energy Revolution
The Tesla Cybertruck has fallen short of expectations in multiple areas, including payload capacity, towing capacity, and price.
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Even as FUD, that article is terrible...Tesla Cybertruck Payload Capacity 29% Less Than Promised - Clean Energy Revolution
The Tesla Cybertruck has fallen short of expectations in multiple areas, including payload capacity, towing capacity, and price.
In the bed vs total payload : allows ambiguity of bed vs total payload (possibly different based on VIN data)
Top trim payload vs all trim : assumes display is top trim (it isn't), implies trims had different payloads (they didn't)
Towing: assumes this is top trim (it's not), dual motor reveal spec was 10,000 pounds towing, 11k is higher than that
"World's toughest truck" : how does that equal towing?
Facebook sourced price : no comment needed
So, what's going to happen to this thread after Thursday?
Ongoing arguments like the one below:
Ongoing arguments like the one below:
You think they will announce no SS? I'm confused how you think they will talk themselves out of the "worlds toughest truck" moniker.
One of (at least) two ways:
1). The exoskeleton way! We just said so, sue us if you dare.
2). It will be the world's toughest truck (in its category). Category to be defined as comically narrow, as possible.
Tesla marketing at it finest again…..
The Twatter poster is acting like it’s something new to the EV Truck works lol….
Instead of saying it falls short of its competitors that will maybe get Tesla to revisit adding more or something better…. But no, the excitement is enough to have Tesla continue with meeting the minimum standards….
lowtek
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Annnnnnd like clockwork, the Debbie Downer crew strikes again! Seriously, who's paying you? You're here 24/7 reply with negative comments to everything, must be a full time job.
All joshing aside, do you have ANYTHING positive to say about the CyberTruck or Tesla? (or anything for that matter)
Annnnnnd like clockwork, pump'n'dump bully shows up again to attack anyone who questions his idol.
How ordinary....
lowtek
Active Member
I think you have who is the bully backwards there cupcake, but I'll continue calling out the trolls who are determined to destroy the "Tesla Motor Club" forum with their anti-Tesla hate, feelings posing as facts, and embarrassing assumptions. Discussion is one thing but the persistent negativity is transparent and boring and destroys any credibility the trolls may think they have.
Comparing the Cybertruck to a one ton Truck is a bit ridiculous. A one ton Truck was always going to beat the Cybertruck in payload, Driving distance and towing. You can get a Ram with a 50 gallon tank in the Gas or Deisel Trucks. The Cybertruck now seems to have a payload capacity up to 2500 lbs. That doesn't mean that the Truck you get will actually have 2500lb of payload capacity. It could very well be less. We may not even know the actual specs of the Truck at the delivery event. I will give Musk the benefit of the doubt that He will release price and specs at the event.
if the Cybertruck has ~2500 lbs payload and EPA ~330 miles and tows ~10k lbs... then those specs are nearly identical with a 2yr old F150 Lightning which isn't even a purpose built pure EV platform truck....
gtae07
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The biggest problem I have with the "truck owners never use the capability of the truck for anything" argument is that it just doesn't match up with what I see every day on the road or walking around the neighborhood any given day, or my personal experience when I owned a truck. It's like that "35 miles a day average" number that always seems to have the unstated "that's all you need" attached.
I'd be really curious to see the study methodology and the exact questions asked because your responses could vary widely just on the wording. I know plenty of "truck guys" who don't consider it to really be "towing" until the trailer has a loaded weight greater than the tow vehicle. Similarly, without very explicit definition of "hauling" I suspect that your answers may vary widely. I used the bed of my truck a lot, all the time--throw a few cinderblocks or a couple logs in there to take to workouts, or make a run to Lowes for some lumber--but when I hear "hauling" I think of the times I rode down to the landscape supply and filled the bed with gravel, then rode home on the bump stops... or the time I helped a friend move and I had the bed and a utility trailer full of stuff. Or brought a load of furniture back home from Atlanta. Unless you were very specific with the definitions, I suspect if you asked truck owners "how often do you haul with your truck?" and don't explicitly tell them that you are defining "haul" as "put anything in the bed", people are going to think of "hauling" as "carrying a lot of stuff a long way" and answer "never".
I'd be really curious to see the study methodology and the exact questions asked because your responses could vary widely just on the wording. I know plenty of "truck guys" who don't consider it to really be "towing" until the trailer has a loaded weight greater than the tow vehicle. Similarly, without very explicit definition of "hauling" I suspect that your answers may vary widely. I used the bed of my truck a lot, all the time--throw a few cinderblocks or a couple logs in there to take to workouts, or make a run to Lowes for some lumber--but when I hear "hauling" I think of the times I rode down to the landscape supply and filled the bed with gravel, then rode home on the bump stops... or the time I helped a friend move and I had the bed and a utility trailer full of stuff. Or brought a load of furniture back home from Atlanta. Unless you were very specific with the definitions, I suspect if you asked truck owners "how often do you haul with your truck?" and don't explicitly tell them that you are defining "haul" as "put anything in the bed", people are going to think of "hauling" as "carrying a lot of stuff a long way" and answer "never".
I don't think providing constructive criticisms of both Tesla and the CT on this particular thread is a bad thing. Tesla has enjoyed little to no competition until very recently - so bringing constructive criticism to some of Tesla's business and product development approaches may actually help to encourage companies like Tesla to realize that capturing more traditional (read non-fanboy) normative automotive buyers is going to require a bit different of an approach compared to what Tesla has been doing for the past ten years. Chances are, those that are more apt to complain, are likely aligned with a more normative/traditional automotive buyer. There's a bit of a fanboy basis to how Tesla has grown up during the disruption business stage, that really isn't going to win over non early adopter customers in comparison.
Let me give one example, there's a bunch Youtubers that have made a career out of reporting on Tesla, that IMHO tend to be fanboyish on a fairly regular basis - and are often simply uneducated and unfamiliar with legacy automotive features when pronouncing certain features as if they have never before existed anywhere else - when the reality is that's largely untrue. Here's a video to show a real world example:
We have a CT reservation (early same day reservation in the 11269 range) and will likely purchase the CT when the time comes, and we already own a MY LR and are existing Tesla customers, but we've not bought into the Tesla ecosphere hook line and sinker either. I've got a laundry list of complaints about our ownership to date. Does that mean we're going to dump our Tesla MY? Nope - overall my wife is happy with it as her daily driver and it's a perfect commuter car without any doubt. Does this mean there's not room for real improvement? Nope, because there surely is, and I'm going to be vocal about these types of issues because everyone should be really - especially if you own the product and are a stockholder (which we are). Overall, I'm a middle ground kind of a person, and I appreciate both positive and negative commentary for what it is. This site sometimes reminds me of Apple iPhone owners reacting to a cool new feature that has existed with Android phones for years.
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Knightshade
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Which is why "data from 250,000 vehicles owners across the nation" is a lot more useful than "What one guy on the internet sees locally in his neighborhood"
I've certainly lived places I saw people towing and hauling ALL THE TIME in trucks. Relatively non-dense populations there, my nearest neighbor was on the other side of a 5 acre lot, next nearest a 10 acre one- and the third nearest was a ~100 acre farm.
I've also lived places with far denser ones where nobody ever uses the truck to do anything but drive humans around inside the cab- often just 1 human.
100% towing among 5 humans I saw a day first location versus 0% towing among 100 humans I saw a day second location.
Thus broad data>personal anecdotes.
Nearest I can get you to this is what was reported-
Which SOUNDS like the relevant questions are:
How often do you use your truck for towing in a year?
How often do you go off-road in your truck in a year?
How often do you haul (put something in the bed) of your truck in a year?
But I can't be sure- and IIRC the raw data from the 250k person survey requires paying for access to it.
EXOTIC1
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Imagine the joy that comes at the corporate Christmas party
I’m just waiting for someone to come out on Twitter and say the lines around the building to get into see that new Tesla truck and new orders that will ultimately come are just Tesla plants. They aren’t real customers.
TSLA stock up $10 today ….. ice cube says today was a good day
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You are more likely to see a used F 150 hauling stuff in the Bed and towing Trailers. Since most people who purchased these Trucks used are Blue Colar Workers. Yes most people who purchased these Trucks new won't use them for their intended purpose but a lot of people will. Did that survey breakdown the Demographics of where people live who purchased these Trucks. Urban/Suburban vs Semi Rural and Rural users.
it's just funny to "truck guys" hearing non-truck Tesla fanboys raving about a soft-opening tailgate, lights in the bed, power outlet in the bed etc .... those things are standard in trucks for years+ now and not unique to the cybertruck...
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