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Measuring the panel gaps upon delivery

holeydonut

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Showing up in a delivery center with a set of calipers or a feeler gauge just screams “I’m going to be THAT guy …” to everyone at the delivery center.

You do you, but don’t expect much cooperation from anyone at the SC …. Well, or me.

What do you really care about if someone wants to be “that guy” or not?

I know some customers want the sales person to help them set radio presets. Some customers get upset if they find crumbs in their foot wells. Some customers want service to install the wheel locks.

If you personally don’t care about these things, would it really harm you to just ignore the topics you don’t care for? Instead you feel it’s important to admonish and be an ass to drum up conflict.

obviously some people care about build quality and you don’t. So why don’t you just move on?
 
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cairn

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Showing up in a delivery center with a set of calipers or a feeler gauge just screams “I’m going to be THAT guy …” to everyone at the delivery center.

You do you, but don’t expect much cooperation from anyone at the SC …. Well, or me.
Meh I'll be that guy. Doesn't bother me. This isn't a snickers bar I'm buying at 7/11, I'll be anal about it if I want.
 

jjrandorin

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This is another one of those topics that people either "care a lot about" or dont care at all about and think others are obsessing about. Its also a topic that tends to bring specific types of responses and interactions.

While I am not going to tell people where to post, and what to comment on, I will say that, there are people who want to discuss this stuff, and they have a right to do so, without being made fun of by others who dont care about the topic.

I personally dont care much about this specific topic, but will defend others rights to discuss it if they want to.

@holeydonut

Normally, I would need to move the last post you made in this thread because its a bit over the line, however, I understand where the post was coming from, and what the frustration is from, so am not going to move it. I am, however, going to ask if you could dial it back a tad there.

For others who are posting in this thread to ridicule or otherwise make fun of those who want to discuss this topic, I would request that if you want to engage on this topic to do so respectfully. Just because there are those of us (like me, as I said) who dont really care about this topic, there are others for whom they do, and want to discuss it. They should be able to do so, if they want.

Thanks in advance for everyones consideration around this.
 

holeydonut

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(Moderator note)

This is another one of those topics that people either "care a lot about" or dont care at all about and think others are obsessing about. Its also a topic that tends to bring specific types of responses and interactions.

While I am not going to tell people where to post, and what to comment on, I will say that, there are people who want to discuss this stuff, and they have a right to do so, without being made fun of by others who dont care about the topic.

I personally dont care much about this specific topic, but will defend others rights to discuss it if they want to.

@holeydonut

Normally, I would need to move the last post you made in this thread because its a bit over the line, however, I understand where the post was coming from, and what the frustration is from, so am not going to move it. I am, however, going to ask if you could dial it back a tad there.

For others who are posting in this thread to ridicule or otherwise make fun of those who want to discuss this topic, I would request that if you want to engage on this topic to do so respectfully. Just because there are those of us (like me, as I said) who dont really care about this topic, there are others for whom they do, and want to discuss it. They should be able to do so, if they want.

Thanks in advance for everyones consideration around this.

Thanks @jjrandorin

I think for the most part people getting recent delivery of their Tesla’s are seeing good builds, so hopefully the banter about Tesla panel gaps stops in a few months/years as it becomes a non-issue. Personally, I'm happy with the results on my build. Even though some may think I was hunting for problems; I personally just wanted to measure and obtain data instead of eye-balling.


Thanks @dmurphy, I know the gaps is a nit item, but it's also an item I spent years on with the automakers, and this whole panel gap thing as was a win to make better. It was actually tough to get investment dollars into the machines at the factory to get panel gaps to a uniform level. I'm actually glad most people don't care about panel gaps, because it's the job of the professionals at the automaker to worry about. It's not supposed to be a worry item for the consumer.


Taking a random tangential trip down memory lane... I remember the head engineer on the car I was working on sticking his neck out there for $4mm of extra tooling and investment at one of the UAW plants to get laser measurements on panels. The business case was super easy the moment we put cars assembled in China, budget Kias, and some garbage rest-of-world market Civic next to a proudly assembled '06MY domestic car that was randomly picked from a dealer lot. All the gaps were so obvious as something to fix once decision makers saw how far ahead of the fit and finish game the competition had achieved.

Yeah, all this panel gap stuff is boring, but some of these folks take great pride in what they're building. Maybe they aren't building baller EV's all the time, but here are some people who do obsess over consistent 4mm gaps so the customer doesn't have to.
 
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FrankTheTank

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Not sure what the big deal is. Personally if I am going to buy a $50,000 brand new anything I want it to be perfect (or as close to reasonably perfect as possible). I assume the sales agents at Tesla would do the same thing when they are buying a very expensive X for themselves.
 
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WhiteWi

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Not sure what the big deal is. Personally if I am going to buy a $50,000 brand new anything I want it to be perfect (or as close to reasonably perfect as possible). I assume the sales agents at Tesla would do the same thing when they are buying a very expensive X for themselves.
Nothing is prefect my friend not even close to.
 

Sparkypants

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While I am as much of a fan of Tesla as the next guy/gal/pal on here, I agree that if you're buying a $50k car that you are well within your right to complain about fitment and gaps if you encounter those issues... I recognize that Tesla is a relatively new car company BUT those types of issues are unacceptable on a car of that price. You're not buying a cheap commuter car here. It's reasonable to expect better quality control on a car that shares the same price tag as a low-mid luxury car.
 

holeydonut

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Not sure what the big deal is. Personally if I am going to buy a $50,000 brand new anything I want it to be perfect (or as close to reasonably perfect as possible). I assume the sales agents at Tesla would do the same thing when they are buying a very expensive X for themselves.


While some people like crooked since they like things being sub par, you should at least strive for something that rivals a Chrysler or Ford at today's production quality.

While Tesla is shipping out some good product, there continue to be some sad examples of fitment and flushness that escape their factory and end up being delivered to customers. We see those examples in the delivery threads here on TMC and other online publications. One new production issue that popped up in the delivery master thread is bubbling/discoloration of the window glass. You may want to add that to the list to inspect before you hit 100 miles.

Since Tesla seems willing to shift the burden of measuring quality onto the customer, I think you'll have to take steps to identify your own issues and seek remedy from Tesla if you feel it's important.
 
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sbizzle

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While I am not going to take calipers for my pickup, I am going to point out any ridiculous looking off centered gaps and set up service. I don't plan on rejecting unless it seems too odd to say yes, guess I'll know when I get to that point. The general consensus is they will fix these things for you down the line as long as you set up service and point them out upon delivery if possible.
 
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holeydonut

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While I am not going to take calipers for my pickup, I am going to point out any ridiculous looking off centered gaps and set up service. I don't plan on rejecting unless it seems too odd to say yes, guess I'll know when I get to that point. The general consensus is they will fix these things for you down the line as long as you set up service and point them out upon delivery if possible.


I notice that positive trend in the recent posts for the delivery and panel gap thread. It seems when someone has identified something that seems amiss, the Tesla service center has taken the stance to attempt a fix. This is in contrast to some of the earlier reports from 2 years ago where Tesla would say "it's in spec" and just turn the customer away.

Good luck on getting a good build!
 
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