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OK maybe the w/b will shrink a bit to, say, 115-117" but if less then the other dimensions from various photos start to be problematic. And I cannot believe that the M3 will be lower than the MS (even with the glass roof) - rather it will be marginally taller to make it a better 'all-purpose' family car
Maybe this helps a little bit?Using these new pictures, no matter if I use the rim only or the whole tire (harder to see/measure), I still get around 114" for the w/b, which I still think makes sense for a smaller car, and is way bigger than a Civic's w/b (106").
I just think the overhangs are way longer than we can see from these pictures, which are all taken from some place near the middle of the side of the car. So we're seeing the corners of the car and not the very front or rear points.
This angle really shows how small the "roof" is. To me the metal roof option would look odd. It would just be a small strip breaking up this large expanse of window. I have a feeling they will sell very few of them and eventually that option will disappear. In fact, I'm not sure it will even make it to the initial production.Great - I was just about to post a similar picture. For those of you with measuring tools, here's one of the back so someone can guesstimate the width from the license plate (my plate with similar frame is 12.25" in width)
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and here's another side view from the top of the Gigafactory:
Maybe this helps a little bit?
Using these new pictures, no matter if I use the rim only or the whole tire (harder to see/measure), I still get around 114" for the w/b, which I still think makes sense for a smaller car, and is way bigger than a Civic's w/b (106").
I just think the overhangs are way longer than we can see from these pictures, which are all taken from some place near the middle of the side of the car. So we're seeing the corners of the car and not the very front or rear points.
But you can see locations of things like mirrors, lights, etc in both images. Will have to use both a side image as well as the overhead image together I think.it would if we could see the wheels. We need to know where the centers and edges are in relation to the rest of the body.
Re-reading Snowdog's post #40 and all the other stuff, I am inclined to agree that the M3 wheelbase could be the same as the MS. This still gives reasonable overall length (with short overhangs) and height. Cross-checking all the photos seems to confirm this and it make sense. Obviously the M3 would be appreciably narrower.
Any validated evidence that this is not the case?
If we assume that the width (minus mirrors) is about 73 inches (consistent with Audi A4 and BMW 3), then the length comes out about 175 inches, which is consistent with a number of other estimates and similar to that of the Nissan Leaf.Maybe this helps a little bit?
Using the overhead picture, and a side picture to translate the wheel centers to some part of the body on the overhead pic, and my earlier calculated wheelbase of 114, I calculate the overall length somewhere between 185"-187". The biggest problem with this is finding the wheel centers on the body accurately.
Using the overhead picture, and a side picture to translate the wheel centers to some part of the body on the overhead pic, and my earlier calculated wheelbase of 114, I calculate the overall length somewhere between 185"-187". The biggest problem with this is finding the wheel centers on the body accurately.
Yes, I agree. I noticed that the pic was taken from near the front of the car.But you might be close to right--it is just possible to see the door handles on the left side of the overhead picture. Getting the ratio of the distance between the door handles to the total length, then referencing this to an excellent side view picture, and assuming the external tire size for the 20" wheels to be 26.5 inches, one gets a total length close to what you suggest. However, using the same assumptions on the side view, I get a wheelbase of 111 inches. I think one of the main problems with this approach is foreshortening in the view from above, which appears to have been taken from a point over the front of the vehicle.