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All the Model 3 Performance ever needed was more supportive seats, more sophisticated suspension, and a little more oomph up top. It sure seems like it's getting all of these things, in addition to the underlying Highland updates. For me, the risk of disappointment lies not in the endless #ick measuring of 0-60 times, but in the price. I am hopeful that Tesla's faltering stock value has them price it aggressively to move units. If it's $60K+, I'll just go buy a RWD Model 3 and a used Miata for the same money.How many people think the Model 3 Ludicrous announcement this week will be disappointing? Regardless of what the specs will be do you think you will be pleasantly surprised with them or disappointed with them? Do you think you will buy it or is that not on your list of things to do?
I can't imagine that they are going to announce a car this week that won't grab a lot of attention when their financial announcement is so likely to be a let down at the end of the week. It really seems like the announcement was delayed to coincide with the financial announcement and lessen the blow. Maybe they are also ramping up the production during this time so there won't be so many delays as they have with other Model 3s lately?
I wonder how they are going to express the top end acceleration improvements? I doubt they are going to advertise a 60-130 mph time. As much as some people hate 0-60 mph times it is a statistic that is given for every single vehicle out there and it matters so much more for 1/4 mile times with this car than 60-130 mph does.All the Model 3 Performance ever needed was more supportive seats, more sophisticated suspension, and a little more oomph up top. It sure seems like it's getting all of these things, in addition to the underlying Highland updates. For me, the risk of disappointment lies not in the endless #ick measuring of 0-60 times, but in the price. I am hopeful that Tesla's faltering stock value has them price it aggressively to move units. If it's $60K+, I'll just go buy a RWD Model 3 and a used Miata for the same money.
Probably by showing it racing a bottom spec Porsche, amirite?I wonder how they are going to express the top end acceleration improvements? I doubt they are going to advertise a 60-130 mph time. As much as some people hate 0-60 mph times it is a statistic that is given for every single vehicle out there and it matters so much more for 1/4 mile times with this car than 60-130 mph does.
Race it against a 2016 GT4.Probably by showing it racing a bottom spec Porsche, amirite?
If they showed it keeping up with a C8 Corvette Z06 and a C8 Corvette E-Ray in the 1/4 mile that would probably grab a lot of attention considering how much those cars cost.Probably by showing it racing a bottom spec Porsche, amirite?
Pricing history and the higher market cost pressure in 2024 points to being in the pricing range for the tax incentive.All the Model 3 Performance ever needed was more supportive seats, more sophisticated suspension, and a little more oomph up top. It sure seems like it's getting all of these things, in addition to the underlying Highland updates. For me, the risk of disappointment lies not in the endless #ick measuring of 0-60 times, but in the price. I am hopeful that Tesla's faltering stock value has them price it aggressively to move units. If it's $60K+, I'll just go buy a RWD Model 3 and a used Miata for the same money.
Pricing history and the higher market cost pressure in 2024 points to being in the pricing range for the tax incentive.
Tesla gets less money at 59,990 than they do at 54,990. They have to price it more than $7,500 above 54,990 to make up for the lost EV incentives. This puts us in the 65k range, which I don't think they'll do.Except, assuming they have HAVE spare 2170s from the US to qualify for it, pricing it at 55k would wreck the pricing structure of the lower-trim models that don't qualify and require significant price cuts to both of those.
While pricing it at say 59.9k would still be a good buy compared to alternatives (if the performance is good) without requiring touching pricing on the lower trims.
Tesla gets less money at 59,990 than they do at 54,990. They have to price it more than $7,500 above 54,990 to make up for the lost EV incentives. This puts us in the 65k range, which I don't think they'll do.
How many people think the Model 3 Ludicrous announcement this week will be disappointing? Regardless of what the specs will be do you think you will be pleasantly surprised with them or disappointed with them? Do you think you will buy it or is that not on your list of things to do?
I can't imagine that they are going to announce a car this week that won't grab a lot of attention when their financial announcement is so likely to be a let down at the end of the week. It really seems like the announcement was delayed to coincide with the financial announcement and lessen the blow. Maybe they are also ramping up the production during this time so there won't be so many delays as they have with other Model 3s lately?
Great! Hopefully no more stepped-lip hub to deal with like current M3P's.
I don’t know about US, but I highly doubt it will be more than 56K euros, 7K euros more than the LR seems like a reasonable difference..The Highland updates, bumpers, seats alone make it already not a disappointment in my eyes. I'm not comparing this to the previous M3P where I have huge expectations for the horsepower, 0-60 (60-100), and 1/4 mile times. Small incremental power improvement are just fine.
That said, the only thing that could be disappointing to me is the price. If it's too close to $65K then I wont instantly order and will probably look at 2022 MSP.
If it is at $55K with the tax credit it will be an instant order.
Now could Tesla be get creative with the price? Could they price it at $54K but have a software unlock for performance modes that costs $7.5k? I mean, who would order this but not unlock the full potential of the car's performance? Tesla makes more $ pricing this at $54K than at $60K. Could part of the delay be working on ensuring the tax credit is there? Do they have to wait for govt approval for that?
Ah. Guess yeah I didn't see it until Friday due to timezone differences I guess.New Plaid seats were announced on a Thursday in the US. Friday in France though.
They wouldn't be slashing a majority of the cars they sell by many thousands of dollars. The 3 is much less popular than the Y. Also, I do wonder how many Tesla buyers actually qualify for the tax credit, that would be some interesting data to see.That's only true if they planned to sell only Performance models.
But now run your math on 59,990 for that one-- but NOT cutting prices on the LR and RWD (which are the bulk of sales).... versus making the top trim 55k, but having to slash the majority of cars you sell by many thousands of dollars based on the top end one being $7500 cheaper to the customer than MSRP.
If your answer is "Oh they'd just replace all LR sales with Ps" - nope-- Tesla doesn't have REMOTELY enough US 2170s to do that. If they did the LR would be using them and get the $7500 rebate already