Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]

[oreobbq]

He said "Tesla claims 2.90"..... "I averaged 2.90 with a passenger and 88% SOC" ..... "So I'm going to call that verified". His point was that it absolutely can do what Tesla is claiming if not even better than that.

I also find it extremely interesting how he describes the launch of the new car. He says "I flat footed it and Holy Sh!t! You get a CRACK through the whole chassis because of how violently it engages those motors". He is describing something the old car definitely doesn't do. That "CRACK" part he is describing is "Jerk"(Rate of change of acceleration. The derivative of acceleration). That is definitely something the old car didn't have and something that will benefit the 60' time greatly.

Well now we have to discuss how many cracks the chassis can handle.

 

[Izzyz28]

He said "Tesla claims 2.90"..... "I averaged 2.90 with a passenger and 88% SOC" ..... "So I'm going to call that verified". His point was that it absolutely can do what Tesla is claiming if not even better than that.

I also find it extremely interesting how he describes the launch of the new car. He says "I flat footed it and Holy Sh!t! You get a CRACK through the whole chassis because of how violently it engages those motors". He is describing something the old car definitely doesn't do. That "CRACK" part he is describing is "Jerk"(Rate of change of acceleration. The derivative of acceleration). That is definitely something the old car didn't have and something that will benefit the 60' time greatly.

This right here is easily worth .2 to 60, which tells me that there really isn't improved power through 60 Mph, its simply a stronger initial hit. The OG Performance was SOFT from a stop. So, it appears that Tesla has quickened the initial power ramp to get a marginally better 0-60, and after that is anyone's guess. My prediction is that it may or may not pull ever so slightly harder, but I do not see it running a number starting with a 10 or trapping anything over 120.

 

[mpgxsvcd]

Well now we have to discuss how many cracks the chassis can handle.

That's actually a legit concern. If what Cammisa was describing is accurate then it could mean more creeks and rattles but maybe not.

 

[oreobbq]

Let’s be optimistic and hope they factored in the additional stress while they were retooling the suspension. We will probably see many posts from new EV owners asking why their tires are wearing away like they’re made of gummy bears.

 

[Dangerous Fish]

The suspension bushes which are one of the first things to go on a Model 3 take most punishment during cornering and braking, not accelerating.
More stress might be put on the drivetrain but I expect there's overhead built into that especially after 5 years+ of the existing model being out there in the real world.

 

[mpgxsvcd]

This right here is easily worth .2 to 60, which tells me that there really isn't improved power through 60 Mph, its simply a stronger initial hit. The OG Performance was SOFT from a stop. So, it appears that Tesla has quickened the initial power ramp to get a marginally better 0-60, and after that is anyone's guess. My prediction is that it may or may not pull ever so slightly harder, but I do not see it running a number starting with a 10 or trapping anything over 120.

Yes and No. I did a mockup from my Teslogic data of what the new Performance would look like using their +16% rear motor torque, +32% rear Peak HP, and +22% sustained rear HP specs. Each one of those specs defines a portion of the HP curve.

As you can see below from 40-60 mph there is very little change but still some. That is where peak power briefly occurred in the previous car and where that car really shined the most. The new car should hold a slightly higher peak power but it will do it from about 39 mph to over 92 mph. From 60-90 mph this car is going to feel completely different from the old car and that is exactly what Cammisa was sarcastically describing. "This Performance does not relent.... And then just doesn't stop f@cking pulling until....school zone speeds".

This is exactly what everyone asked for. Slightly better launch and slightly better max torque for 0-60 mph. Then a nice flat HP curve to just under 100 mph where it starts to fall off but it falls off from a higher value which still gives more power than the old one even at "Go to jail" speeds. This is not a 120 mph 1/4 mile car. This is a 125+ mph car.

 

[Jeremy3292]

Tire Rack already has the OEM summer Pirelli’s for sale…$435 per tire 280 UTC grading lol gunna last 10k miles max. Definitely gunna have to replace with 19” rims and all season tires for me…likely the Hankook ION EVOs for only $267 each for 19”

 

[mpgxsvcd]

Tire Rack already has the OEM summer Pirelli’s for sale…$435 per tire 280 UTC grading lol gunna last 10k miles max. Definitely gunna have to replace with 19” rims and all season tires for me…likely the Hankook ION EVOs for only $267 each for 19”

Tire Rack has the front tires but not the 275/30/20 rear tires.

 

[Jeremy3292]

Tire Rack has the front tires but not the 275/30/20 rear tires.

Check again. They have both.

 

[mpgxsvcd]

The single most telling thing about the reviews so far is that absolutely none of them have said anything to the affect of "It just doesn't pull like I want it to up top". Camissa and Marques aren't always EV fanboys. Marques single handedly ended Fisker but they both seemed just fine if not ecstatic about the top end power of this EV. When car reviewers who haven't been sympathetic to EVs in the past suddenly give one a glowing review then I stand up and listen. This car is way better in real life than on paper is my take away from these reviews.

 

[mpgxsvcd]

Check again. They have both.

Got a link? I can't find it in my area.

 

[mpgxsvcd]

Check again. They have both.

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The bottom one is the Audi tire. This will be a Tesla "T0" or "T1" tire.

 

[Jeremy3292]

Got a link? I can't find it in my area.

They already have the 2024 M3P as an option to search for tires. Here’s the link to the tires, but it will likely say “please enter your vehicle” to make sure these tires fit. Probably just not available everywhere yet.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/pirelli-p-zero-pz4

 

[Jeremy3292]

The bottom one is the Audi tire. This will be a Tesla "T0" or "T1" tire.

Oh wow good catch. It just auto chose them for staggered fit

 

[Destiny1701]

Please don't get caught up in these specs that Tesla is listing. Yes, the US car will be slightly quicker than the MIC car but it isn't going to be a 50 HP difference.

Well said overall man. Time will tell

I do wonder though If Camissa tested a euro/canada LG spec, would his reaction would have been similar. ie. higher speed pull.

Happy to wait and see with real world tests. It’s easier to not think about it being a US buyer than outside paying the same or more for what ‘for now’ seems like less.

Anyway hoping you’re right in that the hp figures are arbitrary and have no day to day implications. Especially when it comes to a a future LUD update (if ever !)

 

[terranx]

Based on the discharge capabilities of both batteries theoretically being a fair bit above 510hp and even the old model 3 performance measuring above that, I do wonder if Tesla is being conservative (for once) and quoting what it can produce from 20% or something.

 

[JezzaE]

Yes and No. I did a mockup from my Teslogic data of what the new Performance would look like using their +16% rear motor torque, +32% rear Peak HP, and +22% sustained rear HP specs. Each one of those specs defines a portion of the HP curve.

As you can see below from 40-60 mph there is very little change but still some. That is where peak power briefly occurred in the previous car and where that car really shined the most. The new car should hold a slightly higher peak power but it will do it from about 39 mph to over 92 mph. From 60-90 mph this car is going to feel completely different from the old car and that is exactly what Cammisa was sarcastically describing. "This Performance does not relent.... And then just doesn't stop f@cking pulling until....school zone speeds".

This is exactly what everyone asked for. Slightly better launch and slightly better max torque for 0-60 mph. Then a nice flat HP curve to just under 100 mph where it starts to fall off but it falls off from a higher value which still gives more power than the old one even at "Go to jail" speeds. This is not a 120 mph 1/4 mile car. This is a 125+ mph car.

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Should be in the 10’s then!

 

[mpgxsvcd]

Should be in the 10’s then!

It certainly should be with a fully preconditioned battery and a reasonable weight driver.

 

[Izzyz28]

Yes and No. I did a mockup from my Teslogic data of what the new Performance would look like using their +16% rear motor torque, +32% rear Peak HP, and +22% sustained rear HP specs. Each one of those specs defines a portion of the HP curve.

As you can see below from 40-60 mph there is very little change but still some. That is where peak power briefly occurred in the previous car and where that car really shined the most. The new car should hold a slightly higher peak power but it will do it from about 39 mph to over 92 mph. From 60-90 mph this car is going to feel completely different from the old car and that is exactly what Cammisa was sarcastically describing. "This Performance does not relent.... And then just doesn't stop f@cking pulling until....school zone speeds".

This is exactly what everyone asked for. Slightly better launch and slightly better max torque for 0-60 mph. Then a nice flat HP curve to just under 100 mph where it starts to fall off but it falls off from a higher value which still gives more power than the old one even at "Go to jail" speeds. This is not a 120 mph 1/4 mile car. This is a 125+ mph car.

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I hope the above is true, but I find it very telling that tesla made a supposedly badass car and decided to ignore every acceleration metric except a moderate decrease in 0-60. If it was a 10.7 @ 125 car, I would think they'd capitalize on it.

 

[HaroldK]

I have a theory that they havent advertised 1/4 mile times because there is a slight, but measurable difference between the US Pana spec and the LG spec. While the 0-60 could (and most likely would) be identical, its harder to make up for the hp differnece at 100+ mph. I have no idea what the supposed extra 50 peak hp could translate into, but lets say 2-3 tenths which could put the Pana just under 11s and the LG at or slightly above. To avoid dissatisfied LG customers Tesla havent relased any 1/4 times. I still think they would have been better off by being honest about what the hp difference means IRL though, even if it turns out to be close to nothing.