busaman
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well mine had the stock michelin ps3 21" the grip was not the problem mainly stopping and the dreaded reduced power to 80kw going uphill (and i mean quite a long steep incline.)
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well mine had the stock michelin ps3 21" the grip was not the problem mainly stopping and the dreaded reduced power to 80kw going uphill (and i mean quite a long steep incline.)
Cup2 is still street tire, not race slick. Porsche 911 GT3RS, GT2RS and most of the super cars are carrying cup2 as stock tire. Roadster prototype is also using cup2. Don’t see any problem adding it as an option to Model S.Haha, very funny.
The modified Model S seems to wear Michelin Cup 2 R tires. This is a super sticky compound. It has nothing to do with the stock car.
This is the most pathetic Nürburgring attempt I have ever seen.
Haha, very funny.
The modified Model S seems to wear Michelin Cup 2 R tires. This is a super sticky compound. It has nothing to do with the stock car.
This is the most pathetic Nürburgring attempt I have ever seen.
IMO a combination of cost and battery longevity against the 8 year battery warranty. Given sub 100KW regen, I'd think there is cost to be saved in not providing hardware to charge from much higher regen. People here claim that Tesla inverter is fully symmetric and can regen at 450KW, and if battery longevity is recalculated for 8 minutes instead of 8 years, they might be able to enable 450KW regen.Why do you think they limited regen to 50 kW? My Raven regens to 81.5 kW quite consistently above ~40 mph.
I'm still not sure an S can beat the Taycan at it's specialty, but maybe that's not the intent? all Musk teased is that it will be at the 'ring next week. He didn't say why. Sport Cups aside, what if the intent is to demonstrate FSD? He could show 1) that an untrained Tesla can lap the 'ring on it's own (albeit not very fast). Maybe more importantly 2) how the same car can teach itself the track over multiple days, each day gaining familiarity and confidence just like a real driver., lapping faster and faster. To the point it can totally blow away any previous record for autonomous cars on the 'ring, even those that used lidar / high def maps and thousands of hours of tuning. That might be worth a lot more for the brand than competing against the Taycan.
IMO a combination of cost and battery longevity against the 8 year battery warranty. Given sub 100KW regen, I'd think there is cost to be had in not providing hardware to charge from much higher regen. People here claim that Tesla inverter is fully symmetric and can regen at 450KW, and if battery longevity is recalculated for 8 minutes instead of 8 years, they might be able to enable 450KW regen.
If any modifications are allowed and it only has to last 8 minutes, include a small bottle of liquid nitrogen for cooling.Yes agreed. Take the gloves off of the battery thermal management as it's known to be ultra conservative. A ton of concern shouldn't be given to battery longevity for these packs, for 8 minutes of life.
It doesn't have new brakes as far as I know, and the current brakes won't last one lap of the Ring. As busaman stated in post #275, his basically gave out. There's a reason Porsche fitted such massive brakes on the Taycan:Things changed a lot after model 3 launch. The latest raven model s has all the technology needed to compete with Taycan. Yes they are off the shelf now.
IMO a combination of cost and battery longevity against the 8 year battery warranty. Given sub 100KW regen, I'd think there is cost to be saved in not providing hardware to charge from much higher regen. People here claim that Tesla inverter is fully symmetric and can regen at 450KW, and if battery longevity is recalculated for 8 minutes instead of 8 years, they might be able to enable 450KW regen.
IMO a combination of cost and battery longevity against the 8 year battery warranty. Given sub 100KW regen, I'd think there is cost to be saved in not providing hardware to charge from much higher regen. People here claim that Tesla inverter is fully symmetric and can regen at 450KW, and if battery longevity is recalculated for 8 minutes instead of 8 years, they might be able to enable 450KW regen.
Apparently if you run the California number plates the model S on the flatbed is a 2017 model S, complete with HOV stickers, (whatever that is). So its most likely a development hack. The Tesla engineers are probably going over there to collect data or test out new development components - could be software/hardware or both - This could be anything, including Maxwell battery prototypes.... But almost certainly not a stock off the shelf Model S. Up till now Tesla have been listening to Captain Slow (James May from Top Gear/Grand Tour) and avoiding the ring as the modifications required to go around the ring fast usually tend to ruin nice road cars. But then again with Teslas electric motors and air suspension, there may no longer need to be compromise between road civility and track performance (as Top gear magazine already found out in their feature for the Model 3 Performance). Can't wait to see what happens.
well i took my 2015 p85d round the ring a couple of months back and it was rubbish bearing in mind i had 129 miles of charge to start with and the outside temp was 34deg c it took 10 minutes to complete.
the standard model s brakes cannot cope nor can the power train or the suspension
at 10km in it went to reduced power (50mph max) for 2-3 minutes i almost ran off the track twice because the brakes would not pull up the heavy old gal up the suspension is not to bad but the weight just pushes the car on in the tight corners.
by the end the brakes would hardly work and were smoking badly..
my conclusion is the taycan will wipe the floor with it unless they have dramaticly modified it (but then it would not be an off the shelf model-s)
at what spec .. the regular Turbo or Turbo S
well i took my 2015 p85d round the ring a couple of months back and it was rubbish bearing in mind i had 129 miles of charge to start with and the outside temp was 34deg c it took 10 minutes to complete.
the standard model s brakes cannot cope nor can the power train or the suspension
at 10km in it went to reduced power (50mph max) for 2-3 minutes i almost ran off the track twice because the brakes would not pull up the heavy old gal up the suspension is not to bad but the weight just pushes the car on in the tight corners.
by the end the brakes would hardly work and were smoking badly..
my conclusion is the taycan will wipe the floor with it unless they have dramaticly modified it (but then it would not be an off the shelf model-s)
The one with the turbo installed....