MX - Is removing 2016-2017 6S or 5S/7S middle row easier?

[Bestla]

Hi All!
I'm buying my second Tesla soon, trying to get a free supercharging MX in Norway and plan to camp in it.

Have read all the threads on this forum I could find regarding removing the center row to help with camping:

• Removing Middle Seat from 7-seat Configuration
• I am looking for someone to remove the center seat in my 7 seat MX.
• MX 6-seat - second row seat removal?

What I haven't been able to determine is if it would be easier to remove the 3 seat bench seat in the 5S/7S or the two captains chairs in the 6S. Does anyone know?

Thanks in advance!

 

[Zuikkis]

I don't think it's easy to remove any of the seats, I think you end up with errors?

The 5S/7S "bench seat" is foldable, though. You should be able to camp quite comfortably without removing anything?

Note that many/most/all? 7-seaters in 2016-2017 have non-foldable captain seats. It's just like the 6 seat setup but with extra captain seat in the middle. I'm not sure when it changed to the "bench seat" setup, maybe 2018?

 

[Bestla]

In this post, someone claimed to have no errors somehow: Retrofit 7 seat to 6 seat in 2016 X

 

[Krash]

…Note that many/most/all? 7-seaters in 2016-2017 have non-foldable captain seats…

I thought that all years’ 7 seaters have foldable middle row non-captain seats and that all 6 seaters had non foldable captain seats. Would someone clarify?

 

[Sandiegodoug]

When we bought our x in 3/17, choice was 5 seats,
6 seats with non foldable captains in middle and 7seats with 3 non foldable captains in middle. We choice 6 because the middle non foldable captain had very little headroom.

 

[jboy210]

Hi All!
I'm buying my second Tesla soon, trying to get a free supercharging MX in Norway and plan to camp in it.

Have read all the threads on this forum I could find regarding removing the center row to help with camping:

• Removing Middle Seat from 7-seat Configuration
• I am looking for someone to remove the center seat in my 7 seat MX.
• MX 6-seat - second row seat removal?

What I haven't been able to determine is if it would be easier to remove the 3 seat bench seat in the 5S/7S or the two captains chairs in the 6S. Does anyone know?

Thanks in advance!

You can sleep in the back of a 5-seater without removing anything. Just fold down the rear/mid seat and you a flat space that can sleep two.

 

[Bigriver]

I thought that all years’ 7 seaters have foldable middle row non-captain seats and that all 6 seaters had non foldable captain seats. Would someone clarify?

Middle row of 7 seater did not fold until the summer of 2017. I believe it was late June when the design change to fold the seats was implemented. My September 2017 7-seater has folding middle row.

 

[stadia]

About something else in the OP. Is the free supercharging transferable? I had an impression it is not, or it is a thing in EU but not in the US.

 

[Bigriver]

About something else in the OP. Is the free supercharging transferable? I had an impression it is not, or it is a thing in EU but not in the US.

Free supercharging is transferable in the US if the car was ordered by January 2017 and delivered by March 2017. I don’t know about the Norway situation mentioned in the OP.

 

[fr100]

I think around August 2017 is when the 7 seater got the foldable second row bench and matte seatbacks. Earlier 7 seaters with glossy seatbacks are not foldable.

 

[Zuikkis]

Free supercharging is transferable in the US if the car was ordered by January 2017 and delivered by March 2017. I don’t know about the Norway situation mentioned in the OP.

FUSC is transferable in Europe. It is only removed if car is sold back to Tesla.

 

[Bigriver]

I think around August 2017 is when the 7 seater got the foldable second row bench and matte seatbacks. Earlier 7 seaters with glossy seatbacks are not foldable.

The gloss/matte setback change did not happen at the same time as the foldable 7-seats. The gloss/mattte change was reported in April 2017

Tesla discontinues glossy Model X seat backs for matte finish

Love it or hate it, Tesla has discontinued the glossy seat backs found on the Model X as of this month. The hard plastic seat back was, depending on who you asked, the perfect complement to an already flashy vehicle, or the worst decision Tesla could have made for a vehicle intended for families...

www.teslarati.com

And the foldable seats was reported July 2017

Tesla Model X in 7-seat configuration finally gets fold-flat 2nd row seats [Video]

Tesla has finally introduced fold-flat seats in Model X with the 7-seat configuration, joining the 5-seat option as the other configuration designed to maximize interior cargo space. The new fold-flat seat design replaces Model X’s “floating” second-row monopost base with a more traditional...

www.teslarati.com

So it is possible to have matte/non-foldable 7 seater. But it is true that all gloss backs are non-foldable.

 

[Bestla]

You can sleep in the back of a 5-seater without removing anything. Just fold down the rear/mid seat and you a flat space that can sleep two.

How's this possible? I thought the three seats in the 5-seat configuration doesn't fold...

 

[Bestla]

The 5S/7S "bench seat" is foldable, though. You should be able to camp quite comfortably without removing anything?

So the 5S and 7S on the 2016-2017 that may have free supercharging could also fold? I'm not seeing that in pictures of them...

 

[Zuikkis]

So the 5S and 7S on the 2016-2017 that may have free supercharging could also fold? I'm not seeing that in pictures of them...

How's this possible? I thought the three seats in the 5-seat configuration doesn't fold...

Hmm sorry, I wasn't clear in my original posting.

2016-2017 August:

5S: folding rear seat
6S: non-folding captain seats
7S: non-folding captain seats

after 2017 August:

5S: folding rear seat
6S: non-folding captain seats
7S: folding seats

So it's only 7S that changed in 2017 August.

But anyway, I'm pretty sure if you want to have folding seats and FUSC your only choice is the 5-seater.

 

[Bestla]

So I purchased a 2016 MX 6s P100DL and am going to go through the process to remove the middle row so I can drive it around Europe and camp... wish it didn't have the drawbacks that have been discussed in other threads (inoperable third row, error warning), but I think it's going to be fun...

 

[geordi]

Removing the seats isn't that hard. The errors are annoying and will potentially prevent software updates - HOWEVER - when I first removed the powered pedestal seats from my 7 seat 2016, there were no errors until I (stupidly) messed with the "seats" menu screen. DON'T DO THAT and you might just get away with it until there's a software update. If you try to leave the modules under the floor, you will have to leave the airbags too, or you will get errors. It doesn't seem to mind the airbags missing if the entire seat is missing.

 

[Bestla]

Thanks for the advise @geordi … I’ll stay out of the seat menu, hope it works.

I’m mostly disappointed about losing use of the third row of seats, would be nice to have the seats when I might need them, and someone mentioned that if you even accidentally lift the headrest you have to install the second row seats again just to get it down… major pain… strange they’re not simply mechanical. C’est la vie

 

[geordi]

I don't know about that - Mine now has the folding bench in the second row and a service center WAS able to get the configuration change to take, after I made the suggestion that they needed to apply the change to the SERVER configuration and not just to the car - it kept changing back when it powered up. You'd think they would have known that.....

But IIRC my third row still worked, and worked independently even when the second row were out and the folding bench was in and not configured. So you might also get away with it. You can test this by just unplugging the second row before you remove them, and then try the third row. If it locks, you can plug it back in and reset, and then not mess with that again. If it works, you are good.

 

[Zuikkis]

@geordi so you have changed pedestral 7-seater to folding 7-seater? And it now works without errors?