stopcrazypp
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The mods actually did that. I don't think there is a way for a user to edit their title.I just noticed the new title. Kudos for that mate!
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The mods actually did that. I don't think there is a way for a user to edit their title.I just noticed the new title. Kudos for that mate!
Both options costs Tesla money. The first one would accelerate the rate at which the car would get the "need service" message and thus battery replacement.Why is everyone making it out like he is starting a class action law suit and trying to extort money out of Tesla?
What he has said his goals are seem perfectly reasonable to me. One option doesn't cost Tesla anything, at least not directly, the other has Tesla refunding him for an option he paid for that he no longer has as it was sold to him.
We have no idea how many people have made deals with Tesla already that are hidden by NDAs.
Both options costs Tesla money. The first one would accelerate the rate at which the car would get the "need service" message and thus battery replacement.
Well, let's see....This is what my owners manual says: Regular over-the-air updates add safety and navigation features, enhance performance and improve the driver experience.
Not sure how Tesla will argue that reducing power is any of these things.
Oh, was I talking about you? I think you protest a little too much. Very sensitive. I guess you are the person who was laughing at people's naivete, though.That's big of you to attack people rather than comment on the issue. But then again, it sounds like you have experience in the area you talk about above and I sure don't, so I'll defer to your expertise.
None of your examples apply since it's not a catastrophic failure. You just get a warning to have repairs done. So it only enhances Tesla's warranty cost experience.Well, let's see....
Add safety - reduced power = increased mean time to failure = lesser chance of a breakdown = added safety because you're not stranded on the highway or in a bad section of town.
Enhanced performance - Car will operate without failure for a longer time = an "enhancement."
Improved driver experience - Better experience if you don't have to walk due to a possible breakdown our enhancement now avoids.
I'm not saying those all (or ANY of them, for that matter) pass the smell test, but such arguments could well be made. Lawyers love those kinds of things, because they, along with emotionally charged divorce cases, are what makes so many so much money. (not ripping on lawyers, here)
I don't know if linux compatibility is a core feature of a game console designed to play sony's games. That's more like Tesla deciding to use different mapping software. Now if they decided to slow down the frame rate of all of their games ...It is certainly ground breaking, and perhaps a sign of things to come.
You buy a car because it does something you like. Or it was the deciding factory in your selection against the competition.
Then, remotely, the feature is removed afterwards. You might have signed something that says you are licensed to the software, but you don't own it, if not, it still applies. The engine control software (or stereo, or suspension, et al) is not your property. The mfr can edit it. Sony already set the precedent (Playstation) by removing a core feature remotely (Linux compatibility) and IIRC, the courts approved.
Will that hold up in court with cars when an MFR can point to Sony? People often ignore the whole Slippery Slope paranoia as being Tin Foil Hat Club propaganda, but the truth is, they spent their money on Reynold's Wrap wisely. It happens again, and again, and again.
We are the frogs for dinner. How do you cook a live frog? Put it in a pan of cold water and turn on the burner. By the time the frog realizes the end result, it's already cooked.
Sorry for my ignorance on this, I thought Tesla backed off and eliminated the performance reduction in a recent update? This was for the Model S P90L model which I have.
I have no idea what fairness looks like in this situation. But sure as Shinola I know what a mutual agreement is. "We agreed! ('cept we didn't)" is many things; none, one.
They said that's what they were going to do, but didn't.Sorry for my ignorance on this, I thought Tesla backed off and eliminated the performance reduction in a recent update? This was for the Model S P90L model which I have.
CorrectThe mods actually did that. I don't think there is a way for a user to edit their title.
Interesting, thank you for the confirmation.Nope, full power has been reduced in ludicrous with max battery power to 1500amps, previously max battery power on gave about 1600 amps. Now with new software you can achieve 1600 but only by using launch mode! So only from a full stop can you activate the full power of your car and you only have that power for launch mode launches not regular driving which It reverts back to 1500amps at all other times...
I don't know if linux compatibility is a core feature of a game console designed to play sony's games. That's more like Tesla deciding to use different mapping software. Now if they decided to slow down the frame rate of all of their games ...
If the frog posts his experience in a forum, it's probably best if you don't accept the invitation when yours comes.
Also - it actually reduced full power even when using launch mode. I was getting 508 kw prior to the power reduction removal - and now I am getting 500 kw max.Nope, full power has been reduced in ludicrous with max battery power to 1500amps, previously max battery power on gave about 1600 amps. Now with new software you can achieve 1600 but only by using launch mode! So only from a full stop can you activate the full power of your car and you only have that power for launch mode launches not regular driving which It reverts back to 1500amps at all other times...
How does the dealership model prevent Tesla from downloading firmware directly to your car via cell/wifi data?Relax guys, Elon is trying his best to accelerate sustainable transport, by ripping off his customers. Thats the fastest way to do it, dont ya know?
Anyway, the only way to stop these practices is to ban Tesla direct sales and service. That will get Tesla to act like they should. I hate dealers with a passion, but they in a way prevent this software downgrade, and other nonsense.
It gets service farmed out to a 3rd party. Name one other manufacturer that does what Tesla is doing? The answer is none, because they dont sell direct.How does the dealership model prevent Tesla from downloading firmware directly to your car via cell/wifi data?