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New 85kWH battery for my 2013 P85+
- Thread starter Chilam
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Surely hope so and surely hope that's the fix for all the batterygate and chargegate Teslas
cpa
Active Member
Ain't holding my breath. I think the new software can detect batteries with imminent failure. Those will get whatever Tesla can fashion as a suitable replacement. Yes, some will be the abbreviated 100kWh batteries now being produced. Others will not be as lucky if Tesla can scrape together enough matching modules to gin up a suitable replacement.
The rest of us will just limp along as before until the BMS detects enough bad stuff, or the 8-year warranty elapses. There are just too many of us who are affected, and the cost, scheduling, and time involved to replace the tens of thousands of batteries would inconvenience Tesla from its primary objective of selling new cars.
But, I hope I am wrong.
SmartElectric
Active Member
Just did another Supercharging session the other day on a brand new 250kW Max supercharger V.3.0 stall. No one but me was charging. 55 degrees outside temp (according to the dash) after driven 10 miles to get to the charger.
13% - 70 kW @ 5:57 PM Plugged in
15% - 95 kW
16% - 102 kW
17% - 116 kW (sustained until 21%)
21% - 114 kW
22% - 113 kW
24% - 112 kW
25% - 111 kW
28% - 109 kW
30% - 108 kW
31% - 107 kW
32% - 107 kW
33% - 106 kW
34% - 105 kW
37% - 105 kW
38% - 104 kW
41% - 104 kW
43% - 100 kW
44% - 99 kW
45% - 96 kW
46% - 94 kW
47% - 91 kW
48% - 88 kW
49% - 85 kW
50% - 84 kW
51% - 80 kW
52% - 79 kW
53% - 76 kW
54% - 74 kW
55% - 72 kW
56% - 70 kW
57% - 68 kW
58% - 66 kW
59% - 65 kW
60% - 63 kW
61% - 62 kW
62% - 60 kW
64% - 59 kW
65% - 58 kW
66% - 58 kW
67% - 57 kW
68% - 56 kW
69% - 55 kW
70% - 54 kW
71% - 53 kW
75% - 48 kW
77% - 46 kW
79% - 41 kW
80% - 41 kW (with 9 min remaining to get to 90% when I stopped) - @ 6:42 PM
In summary, new battery sustained a speed of 116kW from 17% to 21%, if battery pack was at optimum temperature and at a lower SoC when arriving at the supercharge, it probably can do 120kW max (or more see my opinion below) This supercharging section at a V.3 stall but the actual ramp up is slower than my previous section at a Supercharger V.1 for some reason.
In my opinion - I think the charging components in my old car (2013 P85+) such as the charging wires / cooling compressor / coolant pump, etc might have been the limiting factor (previously confirmed to be 120kW Max with the old battery in the early days of my CPO ownership) I personally believe that this new battery can even go much higher if matched with the right charging componets (and perhaps firmware) - once again, this is my opinion and probably cannot be proven.
13% - 70 kW @ 5:57 PM Plugged in
15% - 95 kW
16% - 102 kW
17% - 116 kW (sustained until 21%)
21% - 114 kW
22% - 113 kW
24% - 112 kW
25% - 111 kW
28% - 109 kW
30% - 108 kW
31% - 107 kW
32% - 107 kW
33% - 106 kW
34% - 105 kW
37% - 105 kW
38% - 104 kW
41% - 104 kW
43% - 100 kW
44% - 99 kW
45% - 96 kW
46% - 94 kW
47% - 91 kW
48% - 88 kW
49% - 85 kW
50% - 84 kW
51% - 80 kW
52% - 79 kW
53% - 76 kW
54% - 74 kW
55% - 72 kW
56% - 70 kW
57% - 68 kW
58% - 66 kW
59% - 65 kW
60% - 63 kW
61% - 62 kW
62% - 60 kW
64% - 59 kW
65% - 58 kW
66% - 58 kW
67% - 57 kW
68% - 56 kW
69% - 55 kW
70% - 54 kW
71% - 53 kW
75% - 48 kW
77% - 46 kW
79% - 41 kW
80% - 41 kW (with 9 min remaining to get to 90% when I stopped) - @ 6:42 PM
In summary, new battery sustained a speed of 116kW from 17% to 21%, if battery pack was at optimum temperature and at a lower SoC when arriving at the supercharge, it probably can do 120kW max (or more see my opinion below) This supercharging section at a V.3 stall but the actual ramp up is slower than my previous section at a Supercharger V.1 for some reason.
In my opinion - I think the charging components in my old car (2013 P85+) such as the charging wires / cooling compressor / coolant pump, etc might have been the limiting factor (previously confirmed to be 120kW Max with the old battery in the early days of my CPO ownership) I personally believe that this new battery can even go much higher if matched with the right charging componets (and perhaps firmware) - once again, this is my opinion and probably cannot be proven.
Tesla should sell these batteries as upgrades. I will happilky buy my way out of batterygate to help them pay for the inevitable settlements / recalls! Not only does it have more range than a 90kwh battery, this new "85" charges literally twice as fast as mine at all SOC if not more! I get single digit charging at 80%, this new pack is still charging faster at 80% than I see at 50%! And it was a cold charge too!
This new pack is definitely charging at the old speeds - if not better than old speeds. I hope they never throttle it back down because I WANT IT.
This new pack is definitely charging at the old speeds - if not better than old speeds. I hope they never throttle it back down because I WANT IT.
Are you joking or being serious? Tesla slaps you across the face and you beg for more? Huh?
If it was only a slap I'd be better off!
But yes, I don't want to go back to ICE but if Tesla continues to make disposable cars they intentionally downgrade into uselessness I'll have to do that. I don't want to assume they're malicious so my assumption is they are too poor and stupid to stay in business the right way, so I'd like to at least try and offer help them out before it's too late.
Plus, I know I'd get the money back eventually once the courts have done their thing and I'd just be buying an early place in line for replacements.
But yes, I don't want to go back to ICE but if Tesla continues to make disposable cars they intentionally downgrade into uselessness I'll have to do that. I don't want to assume they're malicious so my assumption is they are too poor and stupid to stay in business the right way, so I'd like to at least try and offer help them out before it's too late.
Plus, I know I'd get the money back eventually once the courts have done their thing and I'd just be buying an early place in line for replacements.
I picked up my 2015 P85DL from service center today after a battery swap, and it seems I got the 350 V battery: "ASY-HV BATTERY,85KWH,SX(1014116-00-A)". The original battery was a real slow charger, particulary the last year, and it collapsed after 60 000 km.
Gridlok
Member
I could be wrong, but I thought the performance MS required the 400 Volts. That's what I've got anyway.
That remains to be seen. I will visit a supercharger next weekend.
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