whitex
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I thought it was "one in a million".30% is the generic statistical answer when you don’t know.
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I thought it was "one in a million".30% is the generic statistical answer when you don’t know.
“One in a million” = “practically never”I thought it was "one in a million".
That's true 70% of the time30% is the generic statistical answer when you don’t know.
You know, that is one point I have not considered - more people will just stop using turn signals altogether. This may not be intuitive, but it will help Elon, as it will make people driving manually have more accidents. I don't have a source handy, but IIRC 2% of all car accidents in North America are caused by driver(s) not using turn signals. Might sounds like a small number, but when looked as how much does not using signals increase your changes of being in an accident, the number is 30%-40%. Elon is definitely smart. This will help him sell FSD with accident statistics, since on FSD the car will use turn signals, making FSD look like a greater safety improvement than it would be if people had stalks. The guy is an evil genius.signaling are a chore with no stalks- which in LA, barely anyone does with stalks, basically made it so no one will.
Actually you do, as noted up thread, when in drive, just press the camera icon to open the rear view camera, and swipe up to show the two side cameras. I use this mode almost permanently, unless I needed to look at the map.You don’t get the camera view of what’s behind you if you don’t engage your turn signals and on Teslas that’s a great safety feature that I use all the time when driving. Seems a shame to do anything to minimize its usage
Half the people I see already do not use turn signals, Tesla or not. I just wonder what kids are being taught in driver Ed.You know, that is one point I have not considered - more people will just stop using turn signals altogether.
It’s nowhere near this bad.Half the people I see already do not use turn signals, Tesla or not. I just wonder what kids are being taught in driver Ed.
That’s an option, of course, but not one I like. I prefer to have the map in front of me unless I am turning/switching lanesActually you do, as noted up thread, when in drive, just press the camera icon to open the rear view camera, and swipe up to show the two side cameras. I use this mode almost permanently, unless I needed to look at the map.
Yes, but that leaves the other half the people who are still using them, which stalkless will further reduce. Driving tests standards in US are way too laxed. So many people drive their cars like they'd ride a cow - get on it, point it in the general direction where you want to go, hope you get there. People are driving with high beams always on (some of them are not even aware of the high beam concept), not using turn signals, changing lanes suddenly and/or over dividers (I recently came across a car changing lanes across the highway literally perpendicular to the direction of traffic, maybe even slightly going back, because he missed an exit), camping out in express lanes going 10mph under speed limit, 20mph under speed limit up-hill but 20 mph over the limit when going down hill (where passing is allowed), etc, etc.Half the people I see already do not use turn signals, Tesla or not. I just wonder what kids are being taught in driver Ed.
Everyone: "More people will just stop using turn signals."You know, that is one point I have not considered - more people will just stop using turn signals altogether.
Yes it is.It’s nowhere near this bad.
I would be surprised if more than 20% of people do not consistently use turn signals. And I think it could be less than 10% (but would not be as surprised if it were higher). I guess I will start making observations.Yes it is.
So is staying below the speed limit and a host of other actions where people commonly break the law: it certainly doesn't mean people don't break those laws. I would say, on the freeways when you aren't in traffic, more people are above the speed limit than below. My suggestion is always, don't be the fastest car out there - doesn't guarantee that you won't get pulled over, but IMO it certainly helps.It is required by law after all.
Right but there is benefit to speeding. Not tons of benefit to not signaling. So more people comply.it certainly doesn't mean people don't break those laws
I would count you as someone who uses their signals, basically 90% of the time. Discrepancy being 20% are debatable whether it is even required (for example on a branch into a turn lane many people don’t signal).(I USUALLY use my signals, but don't about 30% of the time for various reasons).
My 2022 MSLR has a raised line between the signal buttons.Even the signal buttons are poorly designed, without a "home" button nub so you can't just go by feel.