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jelloslug
Active Member
Maybe only if they can't sell their cars. Otherwise like others have said no. I think the 60/75 discount was so they can sell more cars. But if they don't have sales, there is not much to move people except giving more or lowering price. As for giving more, supercharging is already free with referrals so there is not much more they can give free.
whitex
Well-Known Member
75 was not discounted to sell more cars. Tesla could have kept on selling the 60 to have an entry point at lower price. 75 was discounted because 60 was removed from the lineup. With 90 getting removed from the lineup, it would make sense the pricing of 100 would get adjusted down to compensate. There is no reason to keep both 90 and 100 in the lineup. It's a natural progression - when 100 battery first showed up, it was P100D only - so high premium price due to low availability. As 100KWh battery production ramped up, price of the 100 went down and it was offered at smaller premium. Once production is fully ramped up, 100 can be priced without premium at all, and therefore 90 can be discontinued. To clarify, the production cost may not be going down as fast with volume. It may be that 100 costed as much as 90 to produce from the start, it was just more scarce at first (low production capability). It's the price premium that goes down with availability (think rare items going on ebay for over MSRP at first when availability is low - as availability ramps up, nobody cares to pay over MSRP, and eventually prices drop under original MSRP).
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I haven't taken delivery of my 100D yet so personally I hope there's a price drop. But I think it is different than the 60/75 scenario. The 60/75 were identical hardware which meant it was exactly the same cost to produce. The 90/100 battery packs are different. That's not to say there isn't room for Tesla to drop the price but I think it would have to come at a lower profit margin. If Tesla believes they can make up the difference with more volume then I think they would be motivated to drop the price.
Ultimately I believe the 60/75 was a failed experiment. They wanted a lower entry point to convert model 3 buyers. But I'll bet they estimated a larger percent of the folks would ultimately pay for the $7-9k upgrade. When that didn't happen and since it was a sunk cost, they figured better to get $2k than nothing. I've seen folks here talk about software limited model 3 packs but I doubt it. I don't think Tesla will do that again.
That said, I had a hard time deciding between the X 75D and X 100D. Everyone says the $ / kWH is the best in the 100D but that's not the right calculation. That assumes 100% of the cost of the car is the battery. If you consider the cost to get 25 more kWH is $17K, it is the worst deal and likely the highest profit margin for Tesla.
S60 - S75 ($2,000 / 15 kWH = $133 / kWH)
X60 - X75 ($4,500 / 15 kWH = $300 / kWH)
even the original upgrade @ $9,000 / 15 kWH = $600 / kWH
whereas the X75 - X100 ($17,000 / 25 kWH = $680 kWH
So why did I choose it anyway? I decided sometimes I can't be just a slave to the math. Plus it seems like the vast majority of X buyers on this forum are buy 100D's. Peer pressure? Also, I already have an S 75D. We will take the X on road trips and it just seems wrong to buy the road trip car with less range than the non road trip car.
So maybe the price will drop. Maybe I should pay $500 and change it back to a 75D... ugh.
Ultimately I believe the 60/75 was a failed experiment. They wanted a lower entry point to convert model 3 buyers. But I'll bet they estimated a larger percent of the folks would ultimately pay for the $7-9k upgrade. When that didn't happen and since it was a sunk cost, they figured better to get $2k than nothing. I've seen folks here talk about software limited model 3 packs but I doubt it. I don't think Tesla will do that again.
That said, I had a hard time deciding between the X 75D and X 100D. Everyone says the $ / kWH is the best in the 100D but that's not the right calculation. That assumes 100% of the cost of the car is the battery. If you consider the cost to get 25 more kWH is $17K, it is the worst deal and likely the highest profit margin for Tesla.
S60 - S75 ($2,000 / 15 kWH = $133 / kWH)
X60 - X75 ($4,500 / 15 kWH = $300 / kWH)
even the original upgrade @ $9,000 / 15 kWH = $600 / kWH
whereas the X75 - X100 ($17,000 / 25 kWH = $680 kWH
So why did I choose it anyway? I decided sometimes I can't be just a slave to the math. Plus it seems like the vast majority of X buyers on this forum are buy 100D's. Peer pressure? Also, I already have an S 75D. We will take the X on road trips and it just seems wrong to buy the road trip car with less range than the non road trip car.
So maybe the price will drop. Maybe I should pay $500 and change it back to a 75D... ugh.
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For those who think tesla will pass the savings on to the consumer... I applaud them for believing so and living in their fantasy world. But I am a realist. If they can sell the cars at the current price there is 0 incentive for them to lower price even if the get rid of the 90s as an option and streamline production. Tsla is a for profit company not a nonprofit. If they stop selling the 100s at current price due to low demand then it warrants a price drop.
So lets summarize:
High sales ---> NO PRICE DROP
Low sales ---> potential price drop.
So lets summarize:
High sales ---> NO PRICE DROP
Low sales ---> potential price drop.
They massively increased the price of the 100D relative to other models recently. The 100 packs are better tech and the difference in energy is actually 72.6kwh vs 102kwh. Almost 30kwh.
Also it is common to have a big premium on the largest item. Biggest memory modules are always more expensive per unit because it's tougher to get the larger size. Ex. RAM or flash memory modules, etc.
Also it is common to have a big premium on the largest item. Biggest memory modules are always more expensive per unit because it's tougher to get the larger size. Ex. RAM or flash memory modules, etc.
Why not increase the price of the 100 and the 75 to move them out of Model3 top pricing range? Model 3 with 75kwh battery will have more range than the S75, though.....Either way, raising prices would reinforce that S is a premium product as to the 3
If they discontinue the 90, then the 75 is probably on its way out, too, though it may be a few months yet before it gets replaced by a ~85 built with fourteen '100' modules.
I can't imagine that they'll keep both types of modules under manufacture indefinitely - certainly that's never been a Tesla pattern before.
Of course, we also have the 2170 conversion waiting in the wings, which might shake things up more...
I can't imagine that they'll keep both types of modules under manufacture indefinitely - certainly that's never been a Tesla pattern before.
Of course, we also have the 2170 conversion waiting in the wings, which might shake things up more...
BillYard
Member
I dont think they will reduce the price anytime soon as it will cause a snowball effect... I have a 90 on order,, if they lowered the price of the 100 then I would cancel my 90.... If they reduce the price it will be in 3 months once all of the 90's have been delivered.
Uncle Paul
Well-Known Member
P100DHG.
Member
They just raised the prices this quarter why would they lower them? It would be very bizarre behavior to have prices jumping all over the place. The 90D was actually 86kw the 75D is a true 75kw and the 100D is a 102kw. 90D was destined to be discontinued.
henderrj
Active Member
Whatever tiny prescience I do possess tells me no, no price drop coming. They will, I think, improve the interior dramatically. Not soon, but within 6 months. I don't see the 2170s for at least another year (that's an old song of mine). I'm guessing this is all about differentiating the S and X as the Halo cars.
K-MTG
Sunshade Captain of TMC
I am just hoping when it's time to replace my X90D (~2 years), I will be able to drive to SF on one charge with my X. Is that notion to far fetched or would a 400+ mile range be feasible?
If you're talking about cars already delivered, I completely agree with you. But if you're talking about orders that have been confirmed but not yet delivered then can you cite examples? I didn't assume this without doing my research. There have been several threads on this topic from the last price drop. Here's one example, Price drop on already ordered 75D? | Tesla
If the price drop is greater than the deposit, it would only make sense for Tesla to make the adjustment rather than having people cancel.
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75 is not a true 75. See my earlier post or wk's thread.
