bobby g
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They didn't tell you about the six months Tesla driving experience requirement? You can't receive it until at least December - no, that's not it sorry. Bummer
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I was dubious, but this safety score seems to be working. It's catching people who can't be bothered for two minutes to read instructions. Others who even though they know they're being monitored can't control they're driving habits, or be attentive enough to avoid being forced off of autopilot. This might just work.
Silicon Desert
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KArnold
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Let me suggest.a couple of things to consider based on what I've seen so far. Many of these are contrary to above posts.
1. Any travel using Nav on AP is not recorded by the safety app. The small print says the same. I can drive 10 miles but use Nav on AP almost the entire trip. The app doesn't register that trip at all. First time I tried after pressing the button was "you haven't driven enough yet"
IF true, the braking to stop at a yellow or following distance, while using Nav on AP, is irrelevant.
2. I do not know if smart cruise alone is also ignored or not like #1. I've not tried. I suspect this DOES count on the app, including hard break at a light.
3. Regeneration braking ALONE is not triggering a hard braking ding - I use full regeneration on my MS all of the time with no hits. There might be other factors - downhill, smart cruise traffic light, car doing some braking to to lead car?
Anyone clearly see otherwise?
1. Any travel using Nav on AP is not recorded by the safety app. The small print says the same. I can drive 10 miles but use Nav on AP almost the entire trip. The app doesn't register that trip at all. First time I tried after pressing the button was "you haven't driven enough yet"
IF true, the braking to stop at a yellow or following distance, while using Nav on AP, is irrelevant.
2. I do not know if smart cruise alone is also ignored or not like #1. I've not tried. I suspect this DOES count on the app, including hard break at a light.
3. Regeneration braking ALONE is not triggering a hard braking ding - I use full regeneration on my MS all of the time with no hits. There might be other factors - downhill, smart cruise traffic light, car doing some braking to to lead car?
Anyone clearly see otherwise?
This is from Tesla's explanation of the safety score(I added bolding):
Is all my driving captured?
Tesla captures driving over all trips, where a trip consists of any driving (including reversing and Autopilot usage) occurring between the time the vehicle is powered on and able to be driven to the time the vehicle is powered off. Any driving and accrued mileage occurring while in service mode is excluded. Trips less than 0.1 mile will be excluded from scoring calculations. Driving on Autopilot will not be included in Safety Score calculations, but the miles driven while on Autopilot are included in the total.
Silicon Desert
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Thanks, I understand that, yet doesn't match what one of the developers told me. And it seems he may be right as as drive with a friend yesterday got him a ding when AP braked hard for no identifiable reason at a stop sign on a rural road.
What If they have found that statistically safe drivers anticipate the flow of traffic and don’t brake with more than 0.3 g force?
it seems like the easiest thing to do is to use a smartphone app to get used to the g force involved. 0.3 isn’t much. I’m pretty sure physics doesn’t care where the force came from.
The Safety Score requires version 4.1 of the app (iPhone). For some reason I did not get 4.1 through the normal app updating process. So I logged out of the app, deleted it, reinstalled and logged back in. Bingo, there it is in the main menu.
Cheburashka
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diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
Using AP is good for your Safety Score. Since the safety score won't record any AP fails but still track the miles, it will skew the average in your favor. The only time using AP will hurt your safety score is if AP is going to cause a crash and you have to disengage and jerk the wheel or slam on the brakes to avoid the accident. But for the most part, just cruising on AP will help increase your score.
Knightshade
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Why?
What you got for $10,000 was clearly spelled out. "Beta versions of pre-release features" wasn't on the list.
EVNow
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So you want Tesla to let you drive a pre-release version and jeopardize their entry into a trillion dollar market because you paid 10k ? Oh, and make us lose millions in the stock market ?
Indeed. I think that's where it's going to get "interesting." When someone who has paid real buck for FSD gets it yanked back based on safety score ... I could see that not playing well with people.
There's plenty of cases where I've disengaged Autopilot not really to prevent a crash but because it was going to take a curve too quickly, doesn't yield for waiting pedestrians, would stop too far, etc. and these often require braking that would likely negatively impact the Safety Score with hard braking.
Yeah I'm with you. Lets say I drive like a grandma for a full week and wind up with an 89, but don't get included in the FSD rollout. At that point we may know what the "magic number" is or we may not. Honestly, not sure how long I'm willing to play that game for before it feels like "just gimme my 3 back to hell with your 'rollout.'"
Yes it looks like "hard braking" is straight up math on deacceleration so it's possible that AP could literally trigger one of these, the equivalent of Tesla calling it's AP unsafe! Haven't worked the numbers or tested, but on AP yesterday even in a 35 MPH zone, as it approached a red light to stop (appropriately), the rate of deacceleraton was far greater than if I had been controlling the vehicle, nearly to the point of discomfort.
Hopefully they will tweak the metric based on observations like this ...
jebinc
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I was just out for an early morning drive (highway into the country) to rack up some 100% miles.... Funny thing is I saw many other Tesla owners doing the same thing! More than 50% of the cars I saw on the road this morning were Tesla's! 
I agree that would seem to be the conclusion. Having said that, I gotta say this whole thing makes no sense then. The whole thing about FSD is that the car is driving while the driver needs to pay attention. Yet they're measuring our driving habits/performance only without AP engaged. I don't believe the latter is necessarily predictive of the former. For instance the rich boy idiot (malignant narcissist) who insists on buying new Teslas then riding around in the back seat could drive like a granny for a week, get the download, then turn right around and get in the backseat. Seems like the thing to measure would have been an "attentiveness score" and it would be the inverse -- only active during AP. Pay attention: keep your FSD. Exhibit lack of attention: have your FSD revoked. Feels like the whole thing is driven (no pun intended!) by image and legality more than logic.
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