Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

[Burlburt]

reply from Doug Ford:

"Thanks for getting in touch with me to share your views about the Electric and Hydrogen Vehicle Incentive Program (EVHIP). I appreciate having this opportunity to hear from you.

As you've heard, our government cancelled the cap-and-trade carbon tax on July 3 as part of our commitment to bring gas prices down by 10 cents a litre and help reduce costs for Ontario families and businesses by $1.9 billion dollars annually.

Given that the EVHIP was funded through the cap-and-trade carbon tax, we have taken steps to begin winding this program down. Applications will be accepted from dealerships, car owners or prospective car owners only if one of the following conditions has been met:


- Eligible vehicles that have been delivered to consumers, registered and plated on or before July 11 will receive the incentive.

- Inventory that dealers have on lots or orders made by dealerships with manufacturers on or before July 11, will also be honoured for the incentive provided that the vehicle is delivered to consumers, registered and plated by September 10.


We've also cancelled the Electric Vehicle Charging Incentive Program, effective July 11. Charging stations purchased or installed before this date will be eligible to receive incentives if the application is submitted within 60 days of July 11. We'll post any updates to the Ministry of Transportation website at Electric vehicles incentive program.

As promised, we're getting Ontario out of the carbon tax business. Our focus will be to give people lower gas prices, lower energy bills and a real break in their wallets in order to get our economy going and create jobs. Help is here.

Thanks again for contacting me.


Doug Ford
Premier of Ontario "

Nothing worse than someone patronizing you. cut and paste from MTO website. Saying the same thing over and over again just means you don't want to answer the real question. Why are some consumers being treated differently? PC Morons. This is what we have representing the people of Ontario. Politics is sickening. Saving the people .10 \ltr. BS. What happens when oil is $90 a barrel. that .10 is garbage.

This guy is a great representation of us in Ontario. 2 packs of smokes a day, Treating woman as sexual objects, drunkard, drug seller during high school days. Mulroney and Elliott sold themselves for minister positions to this guy. Pathetic.

just my rant.

Same! Got the same letter

 

[Tertulian]

Ditto

 

[Abrew2014]

I ordered 6/29, cancelled 7/13.

By "predicament", do you mean everyone that ordered prior to June 30 I presume - regardless whether you cancelled, are sitting on the fence or waiting for delivery or have purchased already?

I’m assuming it means anyone who ordered an “eligible” LR RWD before cut off of July 11,2018

 

[felixculpas]

An update as well on the CELA request for review...

Section 65 requires the Ministry to acknowledge receipt of the application within 20 days.

Within 60 days of receiving the application, the Minister will give notice of his decision of whether to conduct the review. (see section 70).

They will decide how to proceed once they see the response.

 

[Tertulian]

An update as well on the CELA request for review...

Section 65 requires the Ministry to acknowledge receipt of the application within 20 days.

Within 60 days of receiving the application, the Minister will give notice of his decision of whether to conduct the review. (see section 70).

They will decide how to proceed once they see the response.

...so bottom line: don’t wait on this process. This will not ‘save us’ before the Sept 10th deadline. If it does affect the EHVIP at all (presuming it’s successful and EHVIP falls under its jurisdiction) then it would open the doors to everyone again. But in all likelihood, either way this would not affect EHVIP.

Does that sound about right?

 

[Abrew2014]

...so bottom line: don’t wait on this process. This will not ‘save us’ before the Sept 10th deadline. If it does affect the EHVIP at all (presuming it’s successful and EHVIP falls under its jurisdiction) then it would open the doors to everyone again. But in all likelihood, either way this would not affect EHVIP.

Does that sound about right?

That’s how I read it as well

Gotta say between the “Ford” response and this....I think it’s over

 

[dj_gon]

Reserved on Apr 11/16
Got the configuration email on Apr 25/18
Ordered a blue RWD with AP on Jun 27/18 - knowing that the new PC gov't will cut the incentive but was hoping for a grace period.
Cancelled Jul 18/18 - $69k is somewhat expensive with the incentive. $83k is just way too much!

Sigh, I've waited for the car for 2 years. I have even upgraded my house to 200 Amp service with all the rough-in for 2 charging station in the garage... All the efforts and anticipation to come to this massive disappointment. I guess I'll just have to keep driving my old Kia Optima until EV prices come down or new incentive from the Feds. I'm just so sick and tired of being robbed by the big oil/gas company at the station!

 

[jkirkwood001]

How many of you are planning to cancel? I received a call from the Ombudsman.... they are working on it. Also, if I can get an estimate on number of consumers in this predicament, I’m going to see if we can go the judiciary review (for a class action). I’ll have more info on that tomorrow.

In the meantime it will be helpful to know how many of you are sitting the fence and even if you have got the car, you would otherwise have qualified?

I suggest you do a poll - much easier to track numbers. E.g.

After the new Ford government cancelled the EHVIP program, I:

1. Cancelled and purchased an ICE
2. Cancelled and purchased another EV or Hybrid
3. Proceeded with my Tesla order anyway
4. Am awaiting news about rebate and will probably cancel soon
5. Am awaiting news about rebate and will probably proceed soon
6. Am deferring until a less expensive Tesla is available (e.g. SR)

 

[felixculpas]

The ombudsman route is much more specific, much quicker and with possibly greater value to our specific situation. That's definitely our immediate hope.

The CELA request could take till mid November just to find out whether a review will be conducted. It could have huge ramifications but I'm certainly not holding my breath. As mentioned previously, even if cap and trade were forced down Ford's throat, he could execute it in an entirely different manner. EHVIP wouldn't have to be started up again. It will be interesting to track but not much immediate help to us and possibly none at all.

 

[felixculpas]

I suggest you do a poll - much easier to track numbers. E.g.

After the new Ford government cancelled the EHVIP program, I:

1. Cancelled and purchased an ICE
2. Cancelled and purchased another EV or Hybrid
3. Proceeded with my Tesla order anyway
4. Am awaiting news about rebate and will probably cancel soon
5. Am awaiting news about rebate and will probably proceed soon
6. Am deferring until a less expensive Tesla is available (e.g. SR)

7. Cancelled and waiting for the return of an incentive.

 

[Tertulian]

I suggest you do a poll - much easier to track numbers. E.g.

After the new Ford government cancelled the EHVIP program, I:

1. Cancelled and purchased an ICE
2. Cancelled and purchased another EV or Hybrid
3. Proceeded with my Tesla order anyway
4. Am awaiting news about rebate and will probably cancel soon
5. Am awaiting news about rebate and will probably proceed soon
6. Am deferring until a less expensive Tesla is available (e.g. SR)

4. Am awaiting news about rebate and will probably cancel soon

 

[McFlurri]

No idea how things works in Tesla. Why many early reservations still don't get their VIN.
It seems they choose to deliver vehicle that paid by Cash first (same in US).

Tesla Model 3 buyers are feeling Tesla’s new quest for profit

I did not pay by cash.

I was not a previous Tesla Owner.

I was a day 1 line waiter.

Received my Model 3 May 24th

 

[FatLam]

I suggest you do a poll - much easier to track numbers. E.g.

After the new Ford government cancelled the EHVIP program, I:

1. Cancelled and purchased an ICE
2. Cancelled and purchased another EV or Hybrid
3. Proceeded with my Tesla order anyway
4. Am awaiting news about rebate and will probably cancel soon
5. Am awaiting news about rebate and will probably proceed soon
6. Am deferring until a less expensive Tesla is available (e.g. SR)

5 for me

 

[egdeen]

The ombudsman route is much more specific, much quicker and with possibly greater value to our specific situation. That's definitely our immediate hope.

The CELA request could take till mid November just to find out whether a review will be conducted. It could have huge ramifications but I'm certainly not holding my breath. As mentioned previously, even if cap and trade were forced down Ford's throat, he could execute it in an entirely different manner. EHVIP wouldn't have to be started up again. It will be interesting to track but not much immediate help to us and possibly none at all.

Do aware that Ombudsman can only make suggestion, government can choose not to accept Ombudsman's suggestion.
Ombudsman is like an ammo, but not a gun.
Of course, we are still hoping/assuming Ford's government still know what SHAMEFUL mean.

 

[Viv ki Bijli]

Got the configuration email on Apr 25/18
Ordered a blue RWD with AP on Jun 27/18 -

Feel bad for you. Wish you would have ordered in April last week or First week of May then you would have got the car and rebate

 

[felixculpas]

Do aware that Ombudsman can only make suggestion, government can choose not to accept Ombudsman's suggestion.
Ombudsman is like an ammo, but not a gun.
Of course, we are still hoping/assuming Ford's government still know what SHAMEFUL mean.

Absolutely.

The great thing about the Ombudsman process is that it goes quickly.

As Samina had mentioned, there's also the possibility of a judiciary review for a class action. If that was initiated, it would bring most anyone affected out of the woodwork you would think. Wouldn't it be nice of Tesla to put those numbers in our hands

 

[felixculpas]

Ontario’s bill to scrap cap-and-trade may not come this summer

TORONTO — Ontario’s new government says its bill to repeal cap-and-trade may be slower out of the gate than first promised.

The government hasn’t yet introduced the legislation that would unwind the carbon market implemented by the previous government, even though it was one of the top three reasons for calling the rare summer session.

House Leader Todd Smith told reporters two weeks ago the Tories would “strike the Liberal cap-and-trade tax law from the books and repeal any legislation that would enable a future government to impose a cap-and-trade carbon tax in the future.”

On Tuesday he told reporters that’s now uncertain.

[READ MORE: Top Trudeau advisor slams Ford on cap-and-trade]

“I know the minister is working diligently on making sure that legislation gets prepared and we’re not exactly sure how long we’re going to be sitting so those balls are still in the air,” Smith said.

The government says any change in timeline won’t change its plans to scrap cap-and-trade, which Smith called a “Liberal mess.”

His statements though are at odds with those of his colleague Environment Minister Rod Phillips who yesterday and today maintained that his bill would still be tabled in this sitting.

So far the government hasn’t said how, or if, it will compensate companies who paid into the market. Ontario has brought in $2.9 billion in revenues from cap-and-trade. Much of it was going to repairs and retrofits for schools and social housing. The cash was also used for rebates to businesses and homeowners who upgraded their properties to make them more energy efficient.

[READ MORE: Abrupt scrapping of cap-and-trade in Ontario sparking anxiety for businesses]

Green Party Leader Mike Schreiner said the government would have been better off to follow the exit clauses set out in the cap-and-trade agreement with California and Quebec. That plan called for one year’s notice before leaving the market and suggested that any exit should be tied to the end of a compliance period — the current one ends in 2020.

“If they’d actually followed the agreement we could avoid the headaches and the potential legal actions and the financial risks that the people of Ontario are exposed to by the reckless actions of this government,” Schreiner said.

[READ MORE: Ontario’s fiscal watchdog to probe the cancellation of cap and trade]

He accused the government of not having a plan for cap-and-trade. When “you try to govern on back of the napkin promises you make mistakes,” Schreiner said.

 

[Blu Angel]

Ontario’s bill to scrap cap-and-trade may not come this summer

TORONTO — Ontario’s new government says its bill to repeal cap-and-trade may be slower out of the gate than first promised.

“I know the minister is working diligently on making sure that legislation gets prepared.....

So far the government hasn’t said how, or if, it will compensate companies who paid into the market. Ontario has brought in $2.9 billion in revenues from cap-and-trade. Much of it was going to repairs and retrofits for schools and social housing. The cash was also used for rebates to businesses and homeowners who upgraded their properties to make them more energy efficient.

[READ MORE: Abrupt scrapping of cap-and-trade in Ontario sparking anxiety for businesses]

Green Party Leader Mike Schreiner said the government would have been better off to follow the exit clauses set out in the cap-and-trade agreement with California and Quebec. That plan called for one year’s notice before leaving the market and suggested that any exit should be tied to the end of a compliance period — the current one ends in 2020.

Firstly, this neophyte PC gov't has to figure out how it will return the almost $3 Billion dollars paid by
Big business to purchase the EV credits.
(HINT: Ontario taxpayer will be stuck paying this back)

Secondly, for political reasons only, this PC gov't wants to opt out of the 3 way agreement between California, Ontario and Quebec.
Why not charter the less costly route and opt out at the end of 2020

Finally, wouldn't a prudent PC gov't discuss (behind closed doors) with the Federal Liberals about
the imposition of the Carbon Tax?

 

[CanadianBacon]

What does this mean for the EV rebate? Possible revival for a period of time?

Ontario’s bill to scrap cap-and-trade may not come this summer

TORONTO — Ontario’s new government says its bill to repeal cap-and-trade may be slower out of the gate than first promised.

The government hasn’t yet introduced the legislation that would unwind the carbon market implemented by the previous government, even though it was one of the top three reasons for calling the rare summer session.

House Leader Todd Smith told reporters two weeks ago the Tories would “strike the Liberal cap-and-trade tax law from the books and repeal any legislation that would enable a future government to impose a cap-and-trade carbon tax in the future.”

On Tuesday he told reporters that’s now uncertain.

[READ MORE: Top Trudeau advisor slams Ford on cap-and-trade]

“I know the minister is working diligently on making sure that legislation gets prepared and we’re not exactly sure how long we’re going to be sitting so those balls are still in the air,” Smith said.

The government says any change in timeline won’t change its plans to scrap cap-and-trade, which Smith called a “Liberal mess.”

His statements though are at odds with those of his colleague Environment Minister Rod Phillips who yesterday and today maintained that his bill would still be tabled in this sitting.

So far the government hasn’t said how, or if, it will compensate companies who paid into the market. Ontario has brought in $2.9 billion in revenues from cap-and-trade. Much of it was going to repairs and retrofits for schools and social housing. The cash was also used for rebates to businesses and homeowners who upgraded their properties to make them more energy efficient.

[READ MORE: Abrupt scrapping of cap-and-trade in Ontario sparking anxiety for businesses]

Green Party Leader Mike Schreiner said the government would have been better off to follow the exit clauses set out in the cap-and-trade agreement with California and Quebec. That plan called for one year’s notice before leaving the market and suggested that any exit should be tied to the end of a compliance period — the current one ends in 2020.

“If they’d actually followed the agreement we could avoid the headaches and the potential legal actions and the financial risks that the people of Ontario are exposed to by the reckless actions of this government,” Schreiner said.

[READ MORE: Ontario’s fiscal watchdog to probe the cancellation of cap and trade]

He accused the government of not having a plan for cap-and-trade. When “you try to govern on back of the napkin promises you make mistakes,” Schreiner said.

 

[haromaem]

No idea how things works in Tesla. Why many early reservations still don't get their VIN.
It seems they choose to deliver vehicle that paid by Cash first (same in US).

Tesla Model 3 buyers are feeling Tesla’s new quest for profit

We are paying cash and no VIN yet.