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Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

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I'm assuming they are not taking them back? I have one in my garage. :(
As I was cancelling my Model 3 order, I asked about the wall charger, she just said to put a return to sender and ship it back.

Also, from their website: Tesla Store Help

"Unopened Wall Connectors may be returned within 60 days of delivery. "


In the meanwhile, I have an unopened wall connector in my garage (24'), if anybody wants to buy it. I am in Toronto. I paid $715 ($633 + HST).
 
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Ottawa to dramatically scale back carbon tax on competitiveness concerns
Ottawa to dramatically scale back carbon tax on competitiveness concerns

The federal government will drastically reduce the scope of its planned carbon tax to address competitiveness concerns as it prepares to replace Ontario’s cap-and-trade system with its own levy.

After a closed-door meeting with industry officials last week, Environment and Climate Change Canada issued new guidelines that lower the percentage of emissions on which large polluters will have to pay the carbon tax and offer bigger breaks for energy-intensive companies that face tough international competition. The guidelines will be imposed on every province that doesn’t meet the federal standard for carbon pricing.

Companies will try to pass along any costs of the carbon tax to consumers, but industry leaders say they may have to absorb it in competitive markets. The reduced tax means businesses will have fewer costs to pass along, face less competitive pressure and likely produce higher emissions.

Ottawa issued draft regulations in January indicating companies would have to pay the carbon tax on roughly 30 per cent of their emissions, with a benchmark set at 70 per cent of their industry’s average emissions performance. The new rules to start in January will lower that requirement to pay tax on 20 per cent of emissions, and some particularly vulnerable industries – including cement and steel making – will pay tax on roughly 10 per cent of their greenhouse gas emissions.

“This approach reduces pollution by putting a price on all carbon emissions that exceed a given threshold,” Environment Canada spokesman Mark Johnson said in an e-mail. “It encourages industry to innovate, and rewards companies that meet or exceed the performance standard.”

The decision follows months of lobbying by industries concerned about how the carbon tax will affect their competitiveness and comes just as Ontario is backing out of cap-and-trade, setting off a sudden expansion of the tax. But companies expect that in many cases, the federal system will still be more onerous than the one it will replace in Ontario, adding to their costs at a time of growing competitive threats arising from U.S. President Donald Trump’s corporate-tax cuts and protectionist tariffs.

The levy will kick in at $20 a tonne in January, rising to $50 in 2022.

The federal government has no estimate of the cost of the output-based pricing system on industry, as Environment Canada is still working with companies to determine who will pay what rate, one official said on Tuesday. There were 102 such large-final emitters in Ontario under the cap-and-trade system who will now be paying the federal carbon tax.

In one of his first actions after forming government, Ontario Premier Doug Ford killed the cap-and-trade system that set a limit on industrial GHGs and required companies to purchase allowances to cover any emissions above their cap, which was set to decline over time. Gasoline marketers and natural-gas distributors were required to buy allowances to cover emissions from all the fuel they sold, but large industrial polluters were given free allowances up to their individual caps, which then declined over time.

The federal government will impose its carbon tax in Ontario, as well as in Saskatchewan and – either in whole or in part – in those provinces that do not meet Ottawa’s stringency standards.

Automakers, petrochemical companies, refiners and other manufacturers are all meeting with the federal government to persuade them they can ill afford to bear higher carbon taxes as they face an increasingly tough market in North America. They argue loss of investment and jobs to the United States – which does not have a carbon tax – will not only hurt the Canadian economy, but will fail to address climate change because the emissions will simply occur elsewhere, a phenomenon known as “carbon leakage.”

Finance Minister Bill Morneau has indicated the Liberal government is focused on those competitiveness concerns and will address them in his budget update this fall. Industry lobbyists argue Ottawa needs to offset any cost impact of a rising carbon tax.

“If the countries with whom we are competing – and especially that big one to the south of us – do not have that kind of a [carbon tax] system in place, then you are having your hands tied behind your back,” said Dennis Darby, president of the Canadian Manufacturers and Exporters association. He urged the government to find a way to return the revenues to companies to help them adjust and innovate.

Environmentalists worry the government is weakening its climate-change policy without providing clear evidence of how companies are being evaluated. “Why is the stringency of carbon pricing being reduced for industry across the board – even for those sectors identified as ‘low risk’ – rather than targeting relief for those sectors at highest risk?” said Catherine Abreu, executive director of Climate Action Network Canada.

Automakers are already facing difficulty in maintaining jobs and investment in Canada and cannot afford sharply higher carbon taxes, said Mark Nantais, president of the Canadian Vehicle Manufacturers’ Association, which represents the Canadian units of the Detroit Three companies.

Ottawa is assessing energy-intensive companies that face tough international competition to determine whether they qualify for special breaks on the carbon levy. Mr. Nantais said the car makers would not qualify as “energy intensive” but are particularly vulnerable to any increase in their cost structure.

Oil companies with refineries in Ontario also worry about the shift from cap and trade, to the federal carbon tax, said Carol Montreuil, vice-president with the Canadian Fuels Association. He said the current federal proposal will be twice as expensive for Ontario refiners as they would have faced under cap and trade.

There are four refineries in the province – two owned by Imperial Oil Ltd., one by Suncor Energy Inc. and one by Royal Dutch Shell PLC. As well, Irving Oil Ltd.’s refinery in New Brunswick and the Federated Co-operatives Ltd. plant in Saskatchewan will be covered by the federal system.

“It is a concern but the process hasn’t ended,” Mr. Montreuil said, adding the industry welcomed the easing of the burden announced last week.
 
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This is what I’ve been thinking recently. If there’s a federal incentive, it won’t be anywhere close to $14k. I’m convincing myself to keep my order and upgrade to dual motor. I want the car now!
That's my thinking too. In my ultimate scenario I wanted AWD with rebate. I ordered RWD on June 18th and almost switched to AWD but figured 14k is almost 1.5 year's payments. I'll certainly go awd for an extra 6k if there's no rebate.
 
Just got off the phone with the Ombudsman office and they still have this as an open ticket with MTO. The position they are taking is that Tesla is a recognized dealership in Ontario and in the legal side of things, the agreement purchase said that it was purchased in Tesla Canada so the bullet point about dealership having the extension to Sept 10th should apply to us consumers as well.

They will send me an update on the status. Here's the excerpt from the purchase agreement.

Agreement to Purchase. You agree to purchase the vehicle (the “Vehicle”) described in your Vehicle Configuration from Tesla Motors Canada ULC or its affiliate (“we,” “us” or “our”), pursuant to the terms and conditions of this Agreement. Your Vehicle is priced and configured based on features and options available at the time of order and you can confirm availability with your Owner Advisor. Options, features or hardware released after you place your order may not be included in or available for your Vehicle.
 
Just got off the phone with the Ombudsman office and they still have this as an open ticket with MTO. The position they are taking is that Tesla is a recognized dealership in Ontario and in the legal side of things, the agreement purchase said that it was purchased in Tesla Canada so the bullet point about dealership having the extension to Sept 10th should apply to us consumers as well.

They will send me an update on the status. Here's the excerpt from the purchase agreement.

Agreement to Purchase. You agree to purchase the vehicle (the “Vehicle”) described in your Vehicle Configuration from Tesla Motors Canada ULC or its affiliate (“we,” “us” or “our”), pursuant to the terms and conditions of this Agreement. Your Vehicle is priced and configured based on features and options available at the time of order and you can confirm availability with your Owner Advisor. Options, features or hardware released after you place your order may not be included in or available for your Vehicle.

Could you let us know what the outcome is? I'm on the fence still and would love to stick it to the Tories if they had to pay the rebate, but can't really afford the car without one.
 
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Ottawa to dramatically scale back carbon tax on competitiveness concerns
Ottawa to dramatically scale back carbon tax on competitiveness concerns

The federal government will drastically reduce the scope of its planned carbon tax to address competitiveness concerns as it prepares to replace Ontario’s cap-and-trade system with its own levy.

After a closed-door meeting with industry officials last week, Environment and Climate Change Canada issued new guidelines that lower the percentage of emissions on which large polluters will have to pay the carbon tax and offer bigger breaks for energy-intensive companies that face tough international competition. The guidelines will be imposed on every province that doesn’t meet the federal standard for carbon pricing.

Companies will try to pass along any costs of the carbon tax to consumers, but industry leaders say they may have to absorb it in competitive markets. The reduced tax means businesses will have fewer costs to pass along, face less competitive pressure and likely produce higher emissions.

Ottawa issued draft regulations in January indicating companies would have to pay the carbon tax on roughly 30 per cent of their emissions, with a benchmark set at 70 per cent of their industry’s average emissions performance. The new rules to start in January will lower that requirement to pay tax on 20 per cent of emissions, and some particularly vulnerable industries – including cement and steel making – will pay tax on roughly 10 per cent of their greenhouse gas emissions.

“This approach reduces pollution by putting a price on all carbon emissions that exceed a given threshold,” Environment Canada spokesman Mark Johnson said in an e-mail. “It encourages industry to innovate, and rewards companies that meet or exceed the performance standard.”

The decision follows months of lobbying by industries concerned about how the carbon tax will affect their competitiveness and comes just as Ontario is backing out of cap-and-trade, setting off a sudden expansion of the tax. But companies expect that in many cases, the federal system will still be more onerous than the one it will replace in Ontario, adding to their costs at a time of growing competitive threats arising from U.S. President Donald Trump’s corporate-tax cuts and protectionist tariffs.

The levy will kick in at $20 a tonne in January, rising to $50 in 2022.

The federal government has no estimate of the cost of the output-based pricing system on industry, as Environment Canada is still working with companies to determine who will pay what rate, one official said on Tuesday. There were 102 such large-final emitters in Ontario under the cap-and-trade system who will now be paying the federal carbon tax.

In one of his first actions after forming government, Ontario Premier Doug Ford killed the cap-and-trade system that set a limit on industrial GHGs and required companies to purchase allowances to cover any emissions above their cap, which was set to decline over time. Gasoline marketers and natural-gas distributors were required to buy allowances to cover emissions from all the fuel they sold, but large industrial polluters were given free allowances up to their individual caps, which then declined over time.

The federal government will impose its carbon tax in Ontario, as well as in Saskatchewan and – either in whole or in part – in those provinces that do not meet Ottawa’s stringency standards.

Automakers, petrochemical companies, refiners and other manufacturers are all meeting with the federal government to persuade them they can ill afford to bear higher carbon taxes as they face an increasingly tough market in North America. They argue loss of investment and jobs to the United States – which does not have a carbon tax – will not only hurt the Canadian economy, but will fail to address climate change because the emissions will simply occur elsewhere, a phenomenon known as “carbon leakage.”

Finance Minister Bill Morneau has indicated the Liberal government is focused on those competitiveness concerns and will address them in his budget update this fall. Industry lobbyists argue Ottawa needs to offset any cost impact of a rising carbon tax.

“If the countries with whom we are competing – and especially that big one to the south of us – do not have that kind of a [carbon tax] system in place, then you are having your hands tied behind your back,” said Dennis Darby, president of the Canadian Manufacturers and Exporters association. He urged the government to find a way to return the revenues to companies to help them adjust and innovate.

Environmentalists worry the government is weakening its climate-change policy without providing clear evidence of how companies are being evaluated. “Why is the stringency of carbon pricing being reduced for industry across the board – even for those sectors identified as ‘low risk’ – rather than targeting relief for those sectors at highest risk?” said Catherine Abreu, executive director of Climate Action Network Canada.

Automakers are already facing difficulty in maintaining jobs and investment in Canada and cannot afford sharply higher carbon taxes, said Mark Nantais, president of the Canadian Vehicle Manufacturers’ Association, which represents the Canadian units of the Detroit Three companies.

Ottawa is assessing energy-intensive companies that face tough international competition to determine whether they qualify for special breaks on the carbon levy. Mr. Nantais said the car makers would not qualify as “energy intensive” but are particularly vulnerable to any increase in their cost structure.

Oil companies with refineries in Ontario also worry about the shift from cap and trade, to the federal carbon tax, said Carol Montreuil, vice-president with the Canadian Fuels Association. He said the current federal proposal will be twice as expensive for Ontario refiners as they would have faced under cap and trade.

There are four refineries in the province – two owned by Imperial Oil Ltd., one by Suncor Energy Inc. and one by Royal Dutch Shell PLC. As well, Irving Oil Ltd.’s refinery in New Brunswick and the Federated Co-operatives Ltd. plant in Saskatchewan will be covered by the federal system.

“It is a concern but the process hasn’t ended,” Mr. Montreuil said, adding the industry welcomed the easing of the burden announced last week.

What a surprise... NOT!
I believe that it may have been pointed out that the great shirtless selfie boy wasn't going to rescue anything. Climate change is in line with electoral reform.
Anyone here old enough to give you young ones a lecture on the liberal sponsorship scandal are shaking their heads and having a sad chuckle.
With Mincome being killed today, I think the public support for a rebate that was nearly as large as the year being paid to the recipients.... ?
Even with the ombud on the case, the optics are pretty awful when compared to that!

Even so, Ombud is your last chance, hope you do get a ruling that T should be treated as any other maker, just will hate to see the looming headline "Millionaires to get rebate, Mincome cancelled for the poor" Backlash!
 
My best friend works for the federal government. I had mentioned a rebate or incentive and had voiced my hopes and aspirations that if they did create one, that it would be retroactive. He had said there was literally a 0% chance that it would be retroactive. He said there would be no way to gauge how far back to go. July? What about all the model X and S's that didn't qualify after the $75k cap, do we go that far back?

He said because of this uncertainty, it would be a set date forward. Which is why I'm cautious to proceed. With my luck - the day after I take delivery the feds will release a program that I won't qualify for lol
We are not crying because they cancelled the incentives
What I would do if I were TESLA.

1. Deliver the vehicles to Ontario
2. Buyer Cancels order with Tesla
3. Tesla advertises - " Take advantage of the $14k Ontario Government incentive by purchasing a new Model 3 in one of our registered dealerships who provide jobs and work for people here in Ontario. Come on in to our Oakville dealership or our Markham dealership.
4. Buyer agrees on new purchase agreement with the dealership. (similar to a CPO Sale) and takes delivery by Sept 10th.

Maybe get Elon to do one of those Cheezy commercials

Just having fun.

PC's would find another way not to include.
But according to the statement, its only if you order before July 11 no? And take posession before Sep 10... so basically if you order one today you dont qualify anymore... am I wrong?
 
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Wow, @BKR1986, you're one of the ones most negatively affected by this policy kill. I'm very sorry for you.

Keep your chin up and be patient. You will get the car you wish for, it's just going to take a bit longer! If the feds don't deliver a rebate, there will be used 3s eventually. (The 3 I hope to get soon is already destined to my environmental-inclined son who won't be in a position to buy such a car for some time - that is, after I've driven in for a while and the next Tesla comes along :)

Oh and I suggest you call Tesla this week or the refund may be gone.
There is also another thing... whoever bought the car and took advantage of the incentives and want to sell the car before 1 year, the person has to return the $14000 in full to the government.
 
  • Inventory that dealers have on lots or orders made by dealerships with manufacturers on or before July 11, will also be honoured for the incentive provided that the vehicle is delivered to consumers, registered, and plated by September 10.
So as long as its on there lot. If you walked into Oakville and made a deal for there Demo car you would be eligible for the incentive.
 
I asked the Ombudsman's Office for an update and received this:

"This Office is in ongoing discussions with the MTO. We cannot provide any timeline for the resolution of our inquiry, nor provide any indication of the result as we do not have the power to compel the Ministry to take any particular course."
 
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