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Kenriko
Former Vendor
100D to P100D is not worth it in my opinion.. however a 60D to a 100D 100% worth it.
Pezpunk
Active Member
BrokerDon
Active Member
The P is for BOTH Performance AND Party Trick
Performance for the driver to be able to get ahead of any other car from a stoplight
Party Trick for everybody who hasn't experienced a PXXD Insane or Ludicrous launch... and get an ear-to-ear smile and giggle like they haven't since they were a kid. PRICELESS... and makes instant Tesla converts from people who otherwise wouldn't consider a Tesla.
Performance for the driver to be able to get ahead of any other car from a stoplight
Party Trick for everybody who hasn't experienced a PXXD Insane or Ludicrous launch... and get an ear-to-ear smile and giggle like they haven't since they were a kid. PRICELESS... and makes instant Tesla converts from people who otherwise wouldn't consider a Tesla.
Your comment got me thinking: Is it possible to drive any car at 120 mph for 2 hours on the autobahn? Other people have had the same idea, and it looks like the answer is a firm no[1]. The longest unlimited stretch of autobahn is less than 200 miles.
[1] What is the longest stretch of the Autobahn that is guaranteed to have no speed limits?
ahurst
Member
I would say Ludi is more performance than party trick, just for the additional power above 45+, which is the speed where most people drive at and use the passing power.
The 0-60 is party trick and not something most people do (blasting from stop light to stop light).
The 0-60 is party trick and not something most people do (blasting from stop light to stop light).
davidc18
Active Member
As a P90DL owner I'd say party trick. You're paying for a feature that most people would only use to show off in very specific situations, it's not performance that has much value to real world performance driving (except having better acceleration at freeway speeds, where the 90D is weak, is a real plus). On my previous performance vehicles I'd take them to the track to use the features as they were designed, but the MS is not a track car.
Other features that I'd say are not worth the money are the upgraded sound system, which sounds like a transistor radio compared to the B&O sound system in my BMW. Spend the same money on an aftermarket system if you are an audiophile. Also the air suspension, although if you have a driveway where your car scrapes it might be worth it.
I bought a PDL as they were practically giving them away in the 3rd quarter last year (I got a $140k car for the same lease payment as the $100k car I was previously driving), but anyone new to the car I would strongly advise that you could put the additional 30 or 40 grand to better use elsewhere for the occasional thrill.
Other features that I'd say are not worth the money are the upgraded sound system, which sounds like a transistor radio compared to the B&O sound system in my BMW. Spend the same money on an aftermarket system if you are an audiophile. Also the air suspension, although if you have a driveway where your car scrapes it might be worth it.
I bought a PDL as they were practically giving them away in the 3rd quarter last year (I got a $140k car for the same lease payment as the $100k car I was previously driving), but anyone new to the car I would strongly advise that you could put the additional 30 or 40 grand to better use elsewhere for the occasional thrill.
bkp_duke
Well-Known Member
I've said this before, but I'll say it again.
The P100D is NOT a car for the masses. The target audience for this car are Ferrari, Lamborghini, etc. owners that want a 3rd, 4th, or 5th car and want bragging rights to having a "horse in the barn" that is faster from 0-60 than anyone else.
And for these buyers, that extra 40k is NOTHING. These are people that are used to spending 300k to 2 million on a car. It's chump change for most of them.
Pezpunk
Active Member
i don't own a Ferrari or Lamborghini. I'm not someone who goes to the track -- if I was, the Tesla P100D would not be for me. My previous car was a Dodge. But I do have some money, so there's that.
I don't think most P100D owners are people who own a half dozen cars. it'd be an interesting poll, though.
DillyBop
Member
you can say it as many times as you like, that doesn't make it true.
quite the opposite - i think the P100D is for people who only want ONE car, that does everything. Instead of having a sports car, and an SUV, and a sedan, and a minivan. you get all of that in one vehicle, the P100D (more the X than S, but you know what i mean).
i remember Brooks from DragTimes said in the Model X forum a while ago that a P100D Model X is "too much $. come on, it's just an SUV." HOWEVER, he also has a Ferrari, McLaren, Ford GT, Model S, Model X, and god knows what else in his garage. so if he wants to go fast, he has other options. but for someone who only wants 1 car, and can afford it, the P100D Model S or X is the panacea.
Interesting how comfortable some people are putting others in a box no matter how off the mark that portrayal is.
how important is going 0-60 in under 4 seconds to anyone?
in the day to day world that many of us live in the ability to be one of the fastest off the line cars on the road really isn't that useful, it wastes precious range.
the standard D offers as much performance as I need.
YMMV
in the day to day world that many of us live in the ability to be one of the fastest off the line cars on the road really isn't that useful, it wastes precious range.
the standard D offers as much performance as I need.
YMMV
Pezpunk
Active Member
very important, obviously, given the price.
my range isn't precious. i almost never come close to driving over 300 miles in a single day. in fact, driving like a maniac in this car is far cheaper than driving like a maniac in an ICE car, in terms of fuel cost (and likely maintenance cost as well, but that's harder to prove).
nobody buys a Tesla to fill a NEED. this is a car that fulfills desires and fantasies. even at the lowest trim levels, anyone who says they "need" this car is lying to themselves. if you want a car that merely meets your needs, get a Ford Fiesta.
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My 60D fills a need. We have one car. It gets my family from point a to point b safely. The car is electric. It can take us to visit in laws in upstate NY. All but the last requirement were satisfied by my amazing Nissan leaf. I would've gotten a cheaper EV if it met those requirements. The Tesla fits the bill perfectly and isn't because I wanted a fantasy fulfilled. The El was our prior transportation before our leaf.
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