PG&E EV2A rate went up by 20% March 1

[ucmndd]

Certainly Export Everything during peak on EVA.

Yeah I already have export everything on. Adding grid charging would (I assume) charge the batteries overnight during off-peak and let me send all of my morning weekday part-peak solar back to the grid instead of the batteries.

 

[buckets0fun]

Certainly Export Everything during peak on EVA.

App needs an ‘export everything except XX% to use for the home until /this/ time’ option for ‘export everything’ to be viable and not have that one 40kWh @ summer peak day. (Been there, hurt$)

 

[dailo]

Yeah I already have export everything on. Adding grid charging would (I assume) charge the batteries overnight during off-peak and let me send all of my morning weekday part-peak solar back to the grid instead of the batteries.

But then your NBC charges may be higher, which might not be worth it unless your system is undersized compared to your usage. I am going to need to track it more closely this year to see if exporting will be worth it.

 

[ucmndd]

App needs an ‘export everything except XX% to use for the home until /this/ time’ option for ‘export everything’ to be viable and not have that one 40kWh @ summer peak day. (Been there, hurt$)

I've found it's become pretty good at anticipating my usage and making sure I can get to the end of the peak period without importing. It's certainly good enough that on the whole I don't worry about it. Of course it can't foresee big unanticipated spikes but those are pretty rare and I figure worst case I'm just buying back the excess that I dumped onto the grid and paying the NBCs and 10% round trip penalty. Not ideal but not mega painful either.

But then your NBC charges may be higher, which might not be worth it unless your system is undersized compared to your usage. I am going to need to track it more closely this year to see if exporting will be worth it.

We have two EVs and are significant net importers even with 12kw of solar and two powerwalls. I figure the ~$0.03/kwh NBCs and 10% round trip loss are well worth it, at least during the summer, given the ~33% rate differential between off-peak and part-peak and ~100% rate differential off-peak to peak. Economics might be a bit tighter in the winter given the lower overall rate spread but even so I can't see not coming out ahead with these insane prices.

 

[aesculus]

I've found it's become pretty good at anticipating my usage and making sure I can get to the end of the peak period without importing. It's certainly good enough that on the whole I don't worry about it. Of course it can't foresee big unanticipated spikes but those are pretty rare and I figure worst case I'm just buying back the excess that I dumped onto the grid and paying the NBCs and 10% round trip penalty. Not ideal but not mega painful either.

Same. I have been quite happy with it. There are exceptions so when I see those situations I turn it off. Its a PITA, but the alternative is worse as @buckets0fun illustrated.

 

[cwerdna]

Wow can't believe it. It is going to be cheaper to charge at some public chargers now n

There still are two publicly accessible DC FCs + some L2s near me that are 19 cents per kWh, so it's been cheaper to charge there than at home for a long time.

Blue Dot app claims 20% discount on Supercharging allows for 30 cent per kWh charging but only (for now) on EVgo and ChargePoint for sessions started from Bluedot's app. There's also a Boost program that lets you get 25 cent per kWh DC FCing at the above but their whole help center (with KB articles) is broken now and has been for at least at day... hmmm...

Bluedot is pretty goofy at best but I can confirm the 30 cent per kWh charging from having used it but I just joined recently.

There's a long running thread at Log in on that app but you'll need a free account there to see it.

 

[ucmndd]

There still are two publicly accessible DC FCs + some L2s near me that are 19 cents per kWh, so it's been cheaper to charge there than at home for a long time.

Blue Dot app claims 20% discount on Supercharging allows for 30 cent per kWh charging but only (for now) on EVgo and ChargePoint for sessions started from Bluedot's app. There's also a Boost program that lets you get 25 cent per kWh DC FCing at the above but their whole help center (with KB articles) is broken now and has been for at least at day... hmmm...

Bluedot is pretty goofy at best but I can confirm the 30 cent per kWh charging from having used it but I just joined recently.

There's a long running thread at Log in on that app but you'll need a free account there to see it.

Thanks for posting this, gonna give it a try. The 20% back for supercharging makes both of the chargers I use regularly cheaper than my new home rate (one of them is cheaper even before the 20%… this will bring it down to $0.25/kwh).

 

[cwerdna]

Looks like it'll be getting even worse in March.

PG&E becomes California's most expensive power provider

On Jan. 1, PG&E started charging 13% more for power. The rate hike – expected to cost an average family another $33 a month – will pay to bury power lines and other wildfire mitigation efforts. But it is likely to be just the beginning of the pain.

www.nbcbayarea.com

 

[PianoAl]

Wow can't believe it. It is going to be cheaper to charge at some public chargers now.

True. One Supercharger near us is 32 cents/kWh. This is good to know, but it's still more convenient to charge at home.

At least the off-peak rate won't go higher in the summer (summer chart on the top).

 

[ucmndd]

Looks like it'll be getting even worse in March.

$10B overspend while implementing a plan to restart dividends… if only someone had the political backbone to force them into receivership and dismantle the whole thing.

Burn it to the ground (see what I did there) and start over.

 

[PianoAl]

On a related note, we've set up appliances (dishwasher, dehumidifiers) to run only during the off-peak period.

I could also automatically turn off our fridge three hours before the off-peak rate begins, then on at midnight. Silly?

 

[nwdiver]

On a related note, we've set up appliances (dishwasher, dehumidifiers) to run only during the off-peak period.

I could also automatically turn off our fridge three hours before the off-peak rate begins, then on at midnight. Silly?

Get an EcoFlow. Their app is pretty good. Program it to not take energy from the grid during peak hours. Plug and play.

 

[buckets0fun]

On a related note, we've set up appliances (dishwasher, dehumidifiers) to run only during the off-peak period.

I could also automatically turn off our fridge three hours before the off-peak rate begins, then on at midnight. Silly?

Best part of powerwall ownership is never thinking about this.

 

[h2ofun]

Best part of powerwall ownership is never thinking about this.

Best part of too much solar is never having to think about this. Without enough solar, PW's mean very little

 

[tfan2018]

Does anyone know how long it takes before the Tesla app updates the PG&E rates in the utility rate plan? If I manually edit it, does it affect historical energy value $?

 

[PianoAl]

Get an EcoFlow. Their app is pretty good. Program it to not take energy from the grid during peak hours. Plug and play.

Interesting. Guess I'll have to do some calculations.

 

[ucmndd]

Unfortunately it is still the lowest rate for charging a car

Unless it isn’t - supercharging is actually cheaper for me at the moment.

wonder if Supercharger rates are going to change.

I imagine they’ll have to in areas served by PG&E. They aren’t gonna just eat the cost…

 

[Oyinko]

Just did the math and the new rate change will increase my annual bill by $600, that's a 24% increase.

 

[BGbreeder]

@Oyinko Ouch! Have you thought of writing your elected officials and the PUC?

All the best,

BG

 

[PianoAl]

Well, I'll probably still save money versus gas, partly because gas is $5.20 per gallon near me.