Just curious what the collective group is experiencing. Wondering if only hearing the bad stories and it represents just a small percentage.
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Phantom Braking Still a Problem?
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Gee...another 24 hours pass...another phantom braking thread...
The "collective group" discussion on this topic is in the subforum dedicated to autopilot and FSD discussion since this is a topic that occurs on autopilot or FSD:
AI, Autopilot, & Autonomous/FSD
Discussion about AI, Tesla Bot, Tesla Autopilot (AP), the promise of Full Self Driving (FSD), as well as other Autonomous Vehicles.
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I linked some discussion threads on this topic in another thread in this subforum, but if you actually want to read about what people are saying, its in that subforum in a bunch of threads.
Here is one from the model Y subforum:
Major Phantom Braking Issues
Hi guys, Just wanted to share an experience that I've had today so that others looking at Teslas to use for long distance driving can make an informed decision. My wife and I drove our 2023 MYLR from Tucson to Las Vegas. It's a ~7 hour drive (8.5 with charging stops, ~400 miles) mostly...
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Here are just a few in the subforum dedicated to the discussion of autopilot and FSD:
Phantom Braking
Smoke alarms can alert when there’s no fire, burglar alarms can go off when there’s no burglar, and AEB can brake when there’s nothing there. These systems are not defective, they are experiencing false triggers. Every detection system is susceptible to them. I drove a 2016 Sonata for many...
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My solution to “fix” phantom braking
To me, this is the single biggest issue that I have with FSD and it’s the reason that I am so reluctant to use it when there are cars behind me. I hit the camera icon on the screen whenever there is an event, but how does the development team know what the event was and why I’m sending them...
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How to deal with phantom braking?
When driving along the motorway, I get a few phantom braking incidents for each hour of driving (roughly and on average). I totally understand this happens to everyone so I'm not alone but a few questions. What's the best way to deal with this in terms of reporting? I sometimes disengage AP...
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TACC “vision only” on radar equipped Model 3 … phantom braking getting scary
This weekend was the first road-trip since May and oh boy is TACC vision only different than the older radar enabled versions for my 2019 Model 3. We were driving back from Llano Texas after a fun weekend in Fredericksburg and the roads from Llano to Fort Worth are primarily small country roads...
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Poll : Highway Phantom Braking Frequency
Here is a poll to crowdsource Highway Phantom Braking experience stats. This is for Vision only - so you should either have no-radar Tesla or you are on FSD Beta. By frequent, I mean, it is so much that it actually prevents you from using AP on highways or you take precautions when using it...
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Anyone else having trouble with Traffic-Aware Cruise Control?
I'm currently driving across Canada in light winter conditions and have had to fight with cruise control a lot more than I'd like. When you activate cruise control you are also engaging Autopilot even if you don't have the Full Self Driving package. And because Autopilot depends on the car's...
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There is definitely more. You can search the subforum above for the term "phantom braking" and get probably 5-10 pages of search results that will give you the collective group discussion you mention you are looking for.
EDIT: Pretty much all of the discussion on TMC around Autopilot / FSD and associated features is negative, but thats sort of the nature of the internet. People who say they like it here (or elsewhere) basically have to be prepared for an "internet fight", so most of the people who either are ambivalent to it or like it just dont bother looking at threads on the topic.
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ElectricAnt54
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I’m just gonna check the numbers in a week. I predict most voters will say they have issues Because as @jjrandorin pointed out, results are likely skewed to negative because people with no issues are less likely to visit a forum or thread about something that doesn’t affect them. now what flavor popcorn 
should I buy.
should I buy.
I voted "No, software fixed it" because that's closer to my experience than "Yes, but I still use it." I very occasionally get phantom braking that I'm not expecting. There are plenty of places that a new Tesla driver will be surprised by - pedestrians, speed limit changes, and cresting some hills in particular - but I'm pretty familiar with all of them by now and it's not "phantom braking" it's "the car is being conservative because stupid people did stupid things and then sued over it."
If you use autopilot with that in mind, almost every event is easy to see coming.
If you use autopilot with that in mind, almost every event is easy to see coming.
Thank you jjrandorin for the links and suggestions. I’m fairly new on here and didn’t realize there was a subforum for FSD. I think it will be helpful to read those posts. My only thoughts are that some might be dated because of software updates along the way. I know the updates come out frequently but have no idea when or what those updates fixed. Also I’m hoping the survey would be easy for anyone to cast a vote and not just the negative. I see only 5 people have participated in the survey so far and hoping for more.
Agreed. I’m reading lots of stories about this problem and it looks terrible. But I’m wondering how many people aren’t saying anything because they don’t have this issue. It would seem 100% have this to some degree or another.
I have a 20' M3SP and 23' MYP and no, the issue is not fixed in the latest update for either car. The issue started on my M3 with the update where they removed radar support - never an issue before. The phantom braking can be on the highway with no cars around, no bridges, no overpasses - nothing and start braking with TACC on (I don't use autopilot).
It is road-specific - a different highway does not exhibit the problem. I think my specific issue is tar or whatever they use to patch cracks on the highway gets interpreted as a car suddenly appearing when the light is just right or such. It can happen 0-8 times on a 30 minute drive. The indicated speed limit doesn't change. It is not heavy braking - more like if you lifted off the throttle and regen kicked in. Usually lasts a few seconds. Seems like it is less frequent in later updates but hard to tell as it is so random.
It is road-specific - a different highway does not exhibit the problem. I think my specific issue is tar or whatever they use to patch cracks on the highway gets interpreted as a car suddenly appearing when the light is just right or such. It can happen 0-8 times on a 30 minute drive. The indicated speed limit doesn't change. It is not heavy braking - more like if you lifted off the throttle and regen kicked in. Usually lasts a few seconds. Seems like it is less frequent in later updates but hard to tell as it is so random.
ElectricAnt54
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NigelM
Recovering Member
I finally caught something on video, speed setting changes on its own. Normally you see up/down arrows when driver changes set max speed. In this case the set speed changes a couple times without driver input.
Posted video here:
New 2023 Tesla Model Y - Major phantom breaking issues
Posted video here:
New 2023 Tesla Model Y - Major phantom breaking issues
ElectricAnt54
Active Member
I just drove 60 miles on autopilot roundtrip from Burbank, CA to San Dimas, CA . No issues. 2022 MYP. No FSD.
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