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Phone Distracted Driver on Autopilot Slams into Firetruck
- Thread starter cwerdna
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That was 3 years ago. Sick burn.
Since they broke up, Tesla doesn't need NTSB's "permission" to release the "safety" data, right?
If it’s true that this crash was an AP1 car, then it’s using tech from >3 years ago.
SomeJoe7777
Marginally-Known Member
In some conditions, AP2 can detect formerly non-tracked vehicles that are stopped, but you're relying on the system doing it with the camera only -- the radar cannot detect stopped vehicles under this condition.
Any other conditions that make the camera's view less-than-ideal, like fog, direct sun, abnormal vehicle shapes/profiles mean that even the camera won't detect them.
You're asking for trouble if you come upon stopped vehicles on TACC and wait for it to recognize the vehicles and reduce speed.
d21mike
Active Member
I was going to post the same thing. This is exactly my experience. Firmware Version 2018.10.4 was a huge improvement in this area. But this car was going 60mph which might the issue. Also, I would love to know which Firmware Version this car was on if it was using AP.
Ultimately the only ‘autopilot crashed’ news here would be if the driver tried to stop when on auto pilot and it’s just kept going.
Anything else is the drivers fault.
Anything else is the drivers fault.
Teslas are constantly improved with OTA updates!
GatorGuy
Member
Do you own a Volvo? If so, you might want to read the manual.
If you don't you might not want to opine on things you're ignorant about.
Their City Safety Emergency braking doesn't even activate over 30 mph.
https://support.volvocars.com/en-CA...5w17&article=14dd7a22aa482bc2c0a801e800c7463b
TaoJones
Beyond Driven
Perhaps this will provide incentive for Tesla to expedite the entire fleet getting the latest relevant firmware without the delays currently experienced.
If I’m an owner 4 or more releases back (let’s say 10.x versus 18.2), and an accident occurs that could have been mitigated by having the later version...
You don’t even have to live in California to know that that’s a lawsuit waiting to happen.
In other news, to this day (with 18.2), you cannot 100% of the time expect the car to slow down when approaching stopped traffic. Most of the time, perhaps. But juuuuuuust when you think they’ve got the problem solved, up jumps that pesky radar/camera thing.
Same with transiting intersections with AS engaged. Some intersections, no problem. Others? Heh. Car heads for the center median like a magnet - and at others it will lurch arbitrarily.
Ever vigilant, folks. Let’s all try to stay out of the media spotlight unless it’s to show off our chariots at car shows and such.
Not that we’re all under the microscope or anything...
Feel no pressure.
Really.
If I’m an owner 4 or more releases back (let’s say 10.x versus 18.2), and an accident occurs that could have been mitigated by having the later version...
You don’t even have to live in California to know that that’s a lawsuit waiting to happen.
In other news, to this day (with 18.2), you cannot 100% of the time expect the car to slow down when approaching stopped traffic. Most of the time, perhaps. But juuuuuuust when you think they’ve got the problem solved, up jumps that pesky radar/camera thing.
Same with transiting intersections with AS engaged. Some intersections, no problem. Others? Heh. Car heads for the center median like a magnet - and at others it will lurch arbitrarily.
Ever vigilant, folks. Let’s all try to stay out of the media spotlight unless it’s to show off our chariots at car shows and such.
Not that we’re all under the microscope or anything...
Feel no pressure.
Really.
Then you have been extraordinarily fortunate. There are a number of posts here and in other forums in which people have had experiences of AP not recognizing stopped objects, usually a vehicle in their lane, and usually asking why the heck it happened, etc. The most common circumstance I recall reading about is the case in which a vehicle leaves the lane, and the next one encountered is stationary. People then chime in and quote the manual (text quoted above) and so on. This specific aspect of AP was one of the first "problems" with AP that I recall being discussed at length, repeatedly, in the early days of the rollout of AP1 in the fall of 2015.
Personally, I try to be extremely cautious when such circumstances arise and brake as soon as it looks to me that AP will not, or might not do so in time to avoid hard deceleration or a collision.
Having said that, I am not sure if AP2 is any better on this point.
TaoJones
Beyond Driven
While both AP1 and AP2 have evolved over time, AP2 is still not at parity with AP1 in that regard, nor with regard to accurate speed regulation with AS due to the myriad errors in the database upon which AP2 is dependent. These are two of the most glaring deficiencies of AP2. One is relative, since you can’t trust either AP1 nor AP2 with regard to stopped objects, and the other will probably just result in more speeding tickets.
The 3rd glaring deficiency of AP2 is phantom braking. Whether it’s an overpass, adjacent parked cars, or the time of say, *this* deficiency is going to get somebody rear-ended. I’m surprised there have been more encounters with EMS vehicles than rear-endings in the news.
TaoJones
Beyond Driven
Time of say? Oy vey iz mir. Oy gevalt, even. My kingdom for an edit function that lasts more than mere minutes.
Time of *day*, yes, that's it. Ffs.
Time of *day*, yes, that's it. Ffs.
brucet999
Active Member
Why does not Tesla copy the camera based diverging taillight/edge method that Honda uses?
As you approach two points on an stationary object, the distance between the two points will grow. Tail lights, as on the white van in the Volvo example above, would be clearly visible and diverging.
Fire trucks are red.
Maybe Tesla is using the diverging dot method, but it can't find the red taillights on a red truck?
As you approach two points on an stationary object, the distance between the two points will grow. Tail lights, as on the white van in the Volvo example above, would be clearly visible and diverging.
Fire trucks are red.
Maybe Tesla is using the diverging dot method, but it can't find the red taillights on a red truck?
The Honda method isn't perfect either, the only thing you can rely on at the moment is still good old Mk1 Eyeball...
All of the different option will or won't work reliably in different circumstances, nonoe of them work reliably in all circumstances so we have to pay attention and keep our eyes open...
All of the different option will or won't work reliably in different circumstances, nonoe of them work reliably in all circumstances so we have to pay attention and keep our eyes open...
How many drivers have actually read the above warnings???
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