Probably because it is still months away from deliveries. It will probably go up in price closer to when deliveries start.
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Plaid+ CANCELLED
- Thread starter Alset Srotom
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That sounds incorrect for two reasons:
1. The $1000 deposit should be 100% refundable.
2. The car was cancelled.
No, it was a good anecdote! I have NO issue with what VW did with their diesels. The EPA wrote the test and mandated that the vehicle pass that specific test, period. VW did exactly that! They shouldn't have been punished because the useless bureaucrats at the EPA suddenly decided that their test was crap and didn't measure "real world" conditions. The foolish thing is that our EPA doesn't formulate different standards for gas and diesel cars. Diesels by their nature are better at some emissions standards, worse in others. They are significantly more efficient, get better fuel economy, and due to burning less fuel, produce less CO2. Yet instead of adjusting the standards to weight where they do well, vs where they do a little worse, the EPA mandated the same standard for gas and diesel vehicles.
RobDickinson
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Whut lol no thats not how it happened.
Panus
Member
Because the model has been canceled. I was interested in the range, not going a million miles per hour.
Panus
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rickyjb
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Tesla is a mess. Cancel product at the last minute. Raise price at the last minute. Hates Bitcoin after loving Bitcoin. What’s next? Cancel Mars because Earth is so good? No need.
whitex
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Neh, $10K bump because Plaid is so good. Funny thing, this will bring it much closer to competing with rea cars, so maybe a great litmus test - given the same price, would you choose a a car with better interior, more features, better service and support but slightly slower and little less range, or go for Plaid.
Indeed, and Plaid+ will come back in some variation, once the 4680s are ready for market. I imagine it will be closer to $175k then, and an even tougher choice. Teslas have always been a bargain for the performance, as long as you can deal with a few differences. I think Tesla (the company) is now testing market demand with these constant price raises, and won't stop until supply outstrips demand, which of course is only good business. It's for this reason I'm considering converting to a Plaid order instead of waiting out the +. Not sure if I'll be interested in that high of a price for a Model S.
Right, but I'm assuming that when they call the plus reservation holders and ask them what they want to do with the reservation, they'll give an option for a refund since the car was cancelled. Maybe I'm wrong, but waiting a few weeks for tesla to cancel the reservation might result in a refund.
Also, the $1000 was listed as refundable. The later $100 deposit was non-refundable, regardless I believe the contract terms say if you cancel the order, you lose the $100, if Tesla cancels it they will refund it. That said, I would definitely wait.
Needsdecaf
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Actually, that's exactly what I'm saying they are doing. And Porsche, for one has admitted as such. They were flat out asked and said "we chose the more conservative rating method" which is to do fewer tests and apply the 70% reduction factor, rather than do all the tests, which is what Tesla does.
Porsche knew their EPA ratings were low, and actually hired an independent company called AMCI to conduct "real world" range tests on the Taycan and the very same day that the EPA ratings for the original Taycan Turbo were released, published this study documenting that while the EPA range is low, in fact the Taycan can comfortably exceed it.
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VAG got severely burned by Dieselgate. Like billions of dollars burned. They would much rather play it safe than go through that again. So while your logic makes sense, you're actually incorrect. As a Porsche owner, an EV owner, a general EV fan, and a Porsche diesel owner to boot, I paid a LOT of attention to the Taycan EPA rating and this AMCI study. I wanted to know why there was such a difference. To the point where I started analyzing data, comparing test results and consumptions and actually downloaded the info on the whole EPA test. It didn't make sense to me originally either, but it does now.
So yes, Porsche is being deliberately conservative with their EPA rating. Note that for 2021 models they revised it upward, for the same car. And it's still lower than the AMCI "real world results"
Needsdecaf
Active Member
That's some serious BS right there.
They cancel making the car you ordered and offer you no refund? Gimme a break. I'd definitely fight that.
TexasTezla
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TexasTezla
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Who is talking about anxiety from range? The vast majority of owners want more. If you don't, good for you. What is 'good enough' for you wont necessarily be good enough for others. What if I told you your salary was 'good enough' and no more raises for you? Your home was 'good enough', don't think about moving, Bluebell Vanilla was good enough, we don't need any more flavors! People that suggest 'good enough' should cover everyone else has a clear lack of understanding of human nature!
This is a little misleading. Porsche didn't voluntarily reduce their EPA estimate with the 70% reduction factor. They only reduced it for the 2020 Turbo S from 200 to 192 (by 8 miles). They also reduced the the rating for the 2020 Taycan Turbo, but only by 1 mile. They still admit that their cars do bad in the EPA cycle, regardless of whether the EPA's numbers are meaningful or not.
This "generosity" didn't last long, however, as they didn't do reduction for the 2021 Turbo S, which is now rated at 201 miles.
The question was which one would result in more adoption. Your answer is invalid.
Panus
Member
Hello. Two days ago a sales rep at the Raleigh dealership texted me and gave me info on how to “prepare” for my Plaid delivery (my apparently $156,000 Plaid).
In other words, they were just converting my order the the Plaid. THAT prompted me to cancel. I was interested in the increased range. I am more than happy with my 2019 Long Range currently.
