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Porsche 911 owner -- drove P85+ yesterday -- deposit placed -- MANY QUESTIONS :-)

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So Tesla's first ground-up design is just about as good as the best sedan a company with ~80 years of car-building experience can produce.

Let that sink in for a moment.

Then, imagine what the next iteration of the Model S might be like. :biggrin:

Exactly. Well said. The Model S is far from perfect (12V battery issue, tire wear and alignment.....etc) but the fact that they've almost matches companies like Porsche and BMW is most categories and even exceeded them in some (safety) for a first effort is astounding. Give Tesla another 5 years if development for second gen Model S and it should be even better (oh, and quicker which doesn't hurt).
 
So Tesla's first ground-up design is just about as good as the best sedan a company with ~80 years of car-building experience can produce.

Let that sink in for a moment.

Then, imagine what the next iteration of the Model S might be like. :biggrin:
Amazing if you pause to think about it. Pardon me for being patriotic, but it's American ingenuity at its best.
 
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I'm not a fan of this phrase. Makes me think of a something between a meat grinder and the handful of wrecks we've seen. :(

LOL. Took me a minute to "get" this comment. funny!

Reminds me of a colleague who once told me never to use the term "breakdown" because it sounded too destructive. "Let's look at the breakdown of these numbers..." Instead say, "Let's look at how these numbers stack up". Positivity!
 
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OK guys -- a little more than 7 hours to go until the point of no return. I have been the Bay Area Tesla stores no less than 6 times and have spent hours staring at different colors. I'll admit I have problems :)

I think I've decided --> P85+ (unchanged) but instead of grey I'm thinking blue, grey 21" wheels, tan performance seats, obeche gloss, tech, sound, cf spoiler, fogs, sensors, air, pano roof. phew.

I wanted a change from the grey I decided (my current 911 is seal grey, soon for sale). I felt like I loved the pearl white but only when it was someone else's car. I loved the other colors, but something about the classic blue/tan combo coupled with the grey wheels has drawn me in. I know blue will be more difficult to maintain.

Anyway, I'll confirm once the order goes through. And will let you know if I change my mind in the next few hours :)

What's the latest?
 
In all cases it's going to be slower in a straight line because of the S's huge amount of torque, but they're certainly comparable cars in both price and performance, at least in the US.

Try loading two normal size rollers in the trunk of a Panamera. You'll have a hard time getting the rear hatch to close. That was my first experience driving in a Panamera -- on the tarmac of Frankfurt airport. The Lufthansa employee felt a wee bit embarrassed when it took him about 5 minutes of rearranging these two average size rollers in the trunk to get it to close. Ever since then, I've wondered who on earth would spend that kind of money on what is supposed to be a sedan that seemingly has much less trunk space than a subcompact?

(After we were able to finally load our minimal amount of carry-on only baggage, we drove right underneath an A380 and watched it push back from the gate at ground level about 50 feet away. That was a cool experience.)
 
OK, not sure if Tex is still hanging around or not, but wanted him (and the rest of you zealots!) to know you've made yet another convert. As posted in another thread...

Sigh. First off, thanks to all of you for your thoughtful commentary on this topic. Very informative insights, well articulated. Having said that... damn you! :cool:
I have (had) as S85 scheduled for Feb 5 delivery at the factory. Being a voracious researcher, I have poured through these forums at length. After a fitful night of sleep, mentally processing whether I was being shortsighted with my current order, I called my Delivery Specialist first thing to change my order to a fully loaded P85+. Thank you? :biggrin:
 
OK, not sure if Tex is still hanging around or not, but wanted him (and the rest of you zealots!) to know you've made yet another convert. As posted in another thread... ...
As I remember it, he moved to Singapore because of some business venture. Or was it love? :smile:

Anyways, he couldn’t stand the thought of his beloved P85+ in the hands of someone else while it was still in his possession. So he sold it (and his other cars as well).

He vowed to pick up a new one though as soon as he returns to your shores. It’s ‘documented’ here on TMC somewhere… :wink: