First Model 3 is at 260 Wh/mi lifetime. Current is at 278 Wh/mi. I still have the old car and can easily compare. The old one beats the new one, and the new one is supposed to be significantly more efficient. Even my Y easily beats my new 3.
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Range on road trip much lower than expected (<200 miles on full charge)
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First Model 3 is at 260 Wh/mi lifetime. Current is at 278 Wh/mi. I still have the old car and can easily compare. The old one beats the new one, and the new one is supposed to be significantly more efficient. Even my Y easily beats my new 3.
Jeeez. I am really looking forward to getting our Model Y later this year. It's rare for my old 2014 Model S to get below 350 Wh / mile.
It seems that Tesla did not spend much time and research in colder climates. I still love the car and the efficiency of the car beats any ice vehicle or even my 2013 Prius. . The Prius averaged 40-50 mpg. My Y at ,285 wh/mi is getting 118.24 mpg. I used the following 33.7 kilowatt hours of electricity is equivalent to one gallon of gasoline, or 33700/285 = 118.24
After 13,000 miles, I'm averaging about 267 Wh/mi. About 43% of that consists of highway miles on road trips and Superchargers. We got the car on Sep 25th last year, after summer was over. I expect that the next 6 months of warm (hot) Florida weather will bring that average down a bit. We absolutely love the car.
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boulder.dude
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That's nonsense. Norway happens to be cold, you know.
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Electric cars hit 65% of Norway sales as Tesla grabs overall pole
Electric cars made up nearly two thirds of Norway's new sales in 2021, with Tesla the top selling automobile brand overall, as the country pursues its goal of becoming the first to end the sale of petrol and diesel cars.
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Look, physics is physics. It's not a failure of design. ALL cars, regardless of whether they are combustion or electric have higher energy consumption figures when it is cold. That is just reality--not a failure of design. You can't design for physics to not exist. And "driven in CA only"?! Excuse me? Combustion engines have this notorious difficulty with failing to start sometimes in extreme cold. Electric vehicles are immune to that problem. They are just push button and go. Energy consumption will always be high in the cold, but they perform really well and reliably.
sleepydoc
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So far in 20 months of ownership and 2 MN winters I’m averaging about 278 Wh/mi in my MY LR.
The comments and explanations here are all correct. People should see how bad the mileage of ICE cars is in the wintertime, especially with short trips.
We really should have a sticky thread titled “why is my range so low?”
The comments and explanations here are all correct. People should see how bad the mileage of ICE cars is in the wintertime, especially with short trips.
We really should have a sticky thread titled “why is my range so low?”
Nolakai
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With over 10k on our 2021 Y with induction wheels, we’re at 272wh/mi lifetime with a lot of very fast highway driving. EPA estimates were wrong for every car we’ve owned. Our Prius was off even for the car’s own estimate. The car would say we were averaging 48mpg but calculating at the pump was always at 46 or less. There are so many variables at play — driver habits, temp, wind, incline, weight in car, tire pressure, etc. The good news is that there are superchargers nearly everywhere. Have to just relax and enjoy the ride!
sleepydoc
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Yes*
In general I haven't had any issues getting 200 miles on my MY. As a practical matter, I charge at home and just top it off every night or every other night so the only time it's ever an issue is when I forget to plug it in.
*go back and read all the comments. It all depends how you drive where you drive and when you drive!
"*go back and read all the comments. It all depends how you drive where you drive and when you drive!"
I have the tendency to ruin range, as I loose patience squished between Semi Trucks going 60. The fast lane is usually going 75+. When I pull over to the Semi lane it starts all over again. Reminds me of the song " I can't drive 55"
I have the tendency to ruin range, as I loose patience squished between Semi Trucks going 60. The fast lane is usually going 75+. When I pull over to the Semi lane it starts all over again. Reminds me of the song " I can't drive 55"
sleepydoc
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Yup - speed And acceleration kill range, both in EVs and ICE cars.
I tend to use cruise control almost everywhere I drive otherwise I’m going 20 over the limit in a blink of an eye!
I tend to use cruise control almost everywhere I drive otherwise I’m going 20 over the limit in a blink of an eye!
Range very optimisticThis is the big lie about EV.
The estimated range is very optimistic and the sweet spot is 40mph.
Winter does not help, also.
Tesla Range Plotted Relative To Speed & Temperature (Graphs) - CleanTechnica
A Better Routeplanner, a blog that discusses EV trip planning and ways to maximize range, has amassed an impressive database of driving data from Tesla owners (you can donate data too, by logging in to MyTesla in ABRP and checking “Share Data with ABRP”).cleantechnica.com
Tesla Model X Consumption vs Speed
Similar to the post about Model S Consumption vs Speed, there is a lot of data from Model X owners driving around with ABRP active in their browsers and logged in with MyTesla. This is data from 1.2 million driving points from 279 Model X vehicles covering 160 000 km (100 000 miles), and almost a...forum.abetterrouteplanner.com
Just returned from 3,000 mile round trip I think my range was a little better. I always used the Tesla app onboard and watched the estimated percentage arrival for next charger, charging until arrival percentage showed about 20%. Always made it to next charger with more than 15%.
ZenRockGarden
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Range on an EV is much more dependent on speed than traditional much less efficient gas cars.
The EV has the equivalent of about a 2 gallon tank, and uses it VERY efficiently. But physics can't be bargained with - going faster eats power pushing thru the air by the square of velocity. On my Model Y, I can get 330 miles at a steady 60 MPH. That drops to 300 at 70 and about 250 miles of range at 80 MPH. Pick whichever combo of range and speed you like.
The EV has the equivalent of about a 2 gallon tank, and uses it VERY efficiently. But physics can't be bargained with - going faster eats power pushing thru the air by the square of velocity. On my Model Y, I can get 330 miles at a steady 60 MPH. That drops to 300 at 70 and about 250 miles of range at 80 MPH. Pick whichever combo of range and speed you like.
We have a 3 throw Subaru Ascent and also the MY LR 7 seat with Geminis. With less than 600 mi on the odometer, we've averaged 316 Wh/mi, with most of the driving being rural roads. It's been extraordinarily hot with temps above 100° on most days, and as high as 113°. So we've had to run the air con constantly when driving the car. We've seen efficiency as bad as 390 Wh/mi.
We normally take multiple trips from our home in Norther California to Vancouver, B.C. It's a 1600 mi roundtrip. In our Subaru with a full load of people, all of our luggage and a rooftop box, we get about 23 mpg on average. That's also with 3PMSF tires on.
Being that we take this trip both in the summer and in the winter, we are going to need to decide which car to take - our Tesla or the Ascent.
Those who've driven this route on I-5 know that speeds are often 75-80 mph. Most people drive 5-10 mph over the limit. And the limit is as high as 70 mph in many areas.
With the cost of supercharging at about $0.46 kWh, so far I've calculated that the running costs to "refuel" the Tesla vs the Ascent comes out to about 9% less in the Tesla. If we charge at home it's about 22%. But of course we wouldn't have that option on the road.
Right now, I'm leaning on just taking the Ascent on these long trips. We get up to 350 mi on a tank of gas, and gas is over $1/gal cheaper once we get out of California. The Ascent isn't affected much by the air conditioning, and speed isn't much of an effect until I get over 75-80 mph. I suspect the Tesla with the whole family and all of our gear, and driving in very hot weather at 75-80 mph, will cost nearly the same to run as what it costs to fuel up the Ascent. Considering the Ascent is roomier, has Apple CarPlay and Waze, and the tires are all-terrain 3PMSF, it just seems like the logical choice. We make take one trip with the MY though, just as a comparison.
We normally take multiple trips from our home in Norther California to Vancouver, B.C. It's a 1600 mi roundtrip. In our Subaru with a full load of people, all of our luggage and a rooftop box, we get about 23 mpg on average. That's also with 3PMSF tires on.
Being that we take this trip both in the summer and in the winter, we are going to need to decide which car to take - our Tesla or the Ascent.
Those who've driven this route on I-5 know that speeds are often 75-80 mph. Most people drive 5-10 mph over the limit. And the limit is as high as 70 mph in many areas.
With the cost of supercharging at about $0.46 kWh, so far I've calculated that the running costs to "refuel" the Tesla vs the Ascent comes out to about 9% less in the Tesla. If we charge at home it's about 22%. But of course we wouldn't have that option on the road.
Right now, I'm leaning on just taking the Ascent on these long trips. We get up to 350 mi on a tank of gas, and gas is over $1/gal cheaper once we get out of California. The Ascent isn't affected much by the air conditioning, and speed isn't much of an effect until I get over 75-80 mph. I suspect the Tesla with the whole family and all of our gear, and driving in very hot weather at 75-80 mph, will cost nearly the same to run as what it costs to fuel up the Ascent. Considering the Ascent is roomier, has Apple CarPlay and Waze, and the tires are all-terrain 3PMSF, it just seems like the logical choice. We make take one trip with the MY though, just as a comparison.
I do this drive all the time... I already did it twice just this summer. Just a few weeks ago, I drove from Seattle to San Jose. I averaged around 80 for most of the drive in WA and CA, and 75 in OR. I had 5 people and plenty of luggage with me.. I paid $92 in SC. I did this same drive earlier in the summer. That time, I used EA instead of SC, and I only paid $54 for the same trip. Both times, it was > 100 degrees for much of the drive. It was around 110 degrees in California on the earlier trip, an around 105 the later trip. I always had the AC set to about 67 degrees. And this is with the 20" induction wheels, and Conti DWS 06+ tires.
I also drive to Canada a lot too... I don't know if you do the trek to BC in one day or not, but if you time it right, you can hit the northgate sc during off peak, it's only 23 cents per kwh. Or just use a CCS adapter and Pass+ and pay 31 cents kwh.
Gas in the PacNW is almost the same price as Northern California... It's still $5/gallon up here, which is better than the $6 gallon it was a little while ago.. I was just in SJ a few weeks ago... Gas looked to be around the same price. And I was in BC a few months ago... When I was up there, a couple stations, gas was $2.93/litre, which works out to $8 USD/gallon.
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