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It's not clear to me. Can this thing hook up to a real Tesla *Destination Charger* with electronic handshake or not?
For the Leaf charger, my guess is that it is passive, which would explain why it doesn't work on all chargers. The newer ones, the ones requiring the handshake, wouldn't work. But the older ones (i.e. the ones that work for us) probably work just fine.
That said, and being pretty much in the dark regarding electric bikes, I don't know what the box in the second video (the un-boxing) contains. I assume it is just a 240 volt (input) power supply, with some sort of pilot hack, sans handshake. But, who knows?
According to the article, for what it's worth, the current version is passive and won't work on the newer Destinations. He is working on reverse-engineering the handshake and hopes to have a new version available in the future.
TonyWilliams
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As might be expected, there are a number of issues to address to have a fully vetted product.
Hi all,
I got the error message "Charging problem" when trying to charge on the new Tesla locked HPWC's in Denmark with Henry's Can EU and the 4.6.8.40 firmware on my 2010 2.5 sport. Is that the normal error message ? Thought it would a be pilot signal error message.
These 3 Tesla only HPWC's are flanked by 3 open access Tesla HPWC's, however I could only charge with 230v/16 amp on the open access HPWCs... anybody have an idea why? Could they be set at only 16 amp? I could not increase the amp.
Normally I can charge 60 amp on the ABBs fast AC 43 Kw (E.ON operated).
Any input would be awesome
Thanks
I got the error message "Charging problem" when trying to charge on the new Tesla locked HPWC's in Denmark with Henry's Can EU and the 4.6.8.40 firmware on my 2010 2.5 sport. Is that the normal error message ? Thought it would a be pilot signal error message.
These 3 Tesla only HPWC's are flanked by 3 open access Tesla HPWC's, however I could only charge with 230v/16 amp on the open access HPWCs... anybody have an idea why? Could they be set at only 16 amp? I could not increase the amp.
Normally I can charge 60 amp on the ABBs fast AC 43 Kw (E.ON operated).
Any input would be awesome
Thanks
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This is not surprising. If you got 16 amps, they must be set for 16 amps 3 phase, which matches the single charger capability of the Model S, which is 11kW. If they were smart, they would have paired the chargers to share 32 amps 3 phase, so that if you were the only one charging on the pair, you could draw 32 amps. Fast AC 43kW is 62 amps per phase, so that makes perfect sense too.
Chris Lockfort
2008 Tesla Roadster 1.5 + 2015 Zero SR
I also imagine it's just that he's exposing 240V on the nema 5-15R plugs. This is (obviously) non-standard and non-spec, but as you pointed out many devices/chargers have universal AC power supplies and are happy enough taking in 240V (some with a switch, etc), and will do so with half the current that they normally would, which is why you can get away just fine with skinny wires.
It's pretty common for other charging solutions for the Zero motorcycle (which he and I also own, and what his supercharger is intended for) to push 240V through an IEC C13/C14 connection at one end, so other out-of-spec connector usage should be expected from this community.
That charger is one of the older models that should work. I would caution you to have a backup plan.
You can tell the newer ones that usually don't work by how the connector is docked. Your picture has a separate holder. The new ones dock in the side of the wall charger. There are very few Destination chargers in Europe of the old kind that you pictured because Tesla didn't really get up to speed installing Destination Chargers until the new EU wall charger was released. You may be lucky to have found an older model or your picture is suspect. Why do I say that? First, it looks like a stock photo from Tesla, not a picture of the actual Destination charger. Second, it looks like a North American version wall charger, although I can't tell for sure from the picture.
If I were you I would ask the host when the wall charger was installed. If it was a year or more ago then you're probably OK. I would also ask how many chargers Tesla installed for them. If more than 2, one of them will usually work.
You can tell the newer ones that usually don't work by how the connector is docked. Your picture has a separate holder. The new ones dock in the side of the wall charger. There are very few Destination chargers in Europe of the old kind that you pictured because Tesla didn't really get up to speed installing Destination Chargers until the new EU wall charger was released. You may be lucky to have found an older model or your picture is suspect. Why do I say that? First, it looks like a stock photo from Tesla, not a picture of the actual Destination charger. Second, it looks like a North American version wall charger, although I can't tell for sure from the picture.
If I were you I would ask the host when the wall charger was installed. If it was a year or more ago then you're probably OK. I would also ask how many chargers Tesla installed for them. If more than 2, one of them will usually work.
Thanks for the replies - I got the Hotel in Italy to send me pictures of the chargers. The strange thing, as someone mentioned up thread, is that there is a white sign and a red sign - If I understand correctly it is the white sign that works? I really don't mind - just that 1 of these will work - I have put my trip back til the following week because I have a lot of stuff to transport...I am really looking forward to doing it!
In CH-8050 Zurich Swissotel i investigated the 3 DC installed january 17. (Total 10 DC 4 location)
1x silver Sign "Electric Vehicle" TPN:1050071-01-G public
2x red Sign "Tesla Vehicle" TPN: 1050071-03-G (like picture above)
2 different Product Nr., higher Number, later edition
identical instruction for connection and adjustments
diffrence probably only software, no selection for tesla or public
EVSE Tester & Zoe210, Zoe240 activate only public
Pilot timing seams not acording Mode 3, Zoe210&240 first to Alarm, later charged without intervention
EVSE Tester: after plugin, state B wating extra time to C "ready Charge",
by normal sequence DC Alarm: steady red
Did somone record thePilotsignal with Model S/X have no access to S/X
If there is a S/X-Enthusiast around CH-8050 i bring my recorer
1x silver Sign "Electric Vehicle" TPN:1050071-01-G public
2x red Sign "Tesla Vehicle" TPN: 1050071-03-G (like picture above)
2 different Product Nr., higher Number, later edition
identical instruction for connection and adjustments
diffrence probably only software, no selection for tesla or public
EVSE Tester & Zoe210, Zoe240 activate only public
Pilot timing seams not acording Mode 3, Zoe210&240 first to Alarm, later charged without intervention
EVSE Tester: after plugin, state B wating extra time to C "ready Charge",
by normal sequence DC Alarm: steady red
Did somone record thePilotsignal with Model S/X have no access to S/X
If there is a S/X-Enthusiast around CH-8050 i bring my recorer
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