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I hope no-one here got caught in the pump-and-dump of RIVT.

The penny stock that was tradable is not the stock of what Tesla bought - Riviera Tools LLC. All the assets are in the LLC, which is not traded under the ticker of RIVT. RIVT is just an empty entity, that went bankrupt years ago.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sm3l9g

Don't trade penny stocks, you will get burnt (unless you're the one running the pump-and-dump).
 
I hope no-one here got caught in the pump-and-dump of RIVT.

The penny stock that was tradable is not the stock of what Tesla bought - Riviera Tools LLC. All the assets are in the LLC, which is not traded under the ticker of RIVT. RIVT is just an empty entity, that went bankrupt years ago.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sm3l9g


Don't trade penny stocks, you will get burnt (unless you're the one running the pump-and-dump).
Looks like Fluxcap bought, who is going to tell him? #385
 
Looks like Fluxcap bought, who is going to tell him? #385

A few others apparently......

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I hope no-one here got caught in the pump-and-dump of RIVT.

The penny stock that was tradable is not the stock of what Tesla bought - Riviera Tools LLC. All the assets are in the LLC, which is not traded under the ticker of RIVT. RIVT is just an empty entity, that went bankrupt years ago.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sm3l9g

Don't trade penny stocks, you will get burnt (unless you're the one running the pump-and-dump).

Damn, and I considered shorting it. Not that I could have, I'm sure shares aren't available.
 
There is usually good reason a pink sheet has no trading on it for like the past 3 years or whatever. The other sign that something was fishy on this one was that by around noonish the number of shares traded exceeded the total number of shares in the company. By the end of the day all of the shares in the company had essentially traded hands four times over!!! This company had more volume on it than Tesla gets... Even if you wanted to play a pink sheet so many things were screaming stay away on this.
 
There is usually good reason a pink sheet has no trading on it for like the past 3 years or whatever. The other sign that something was fishy on this one was that by around noonish the number of shares traded exceeded the total number of shares in the company. By the end of the day all of the shares in the company had essentially traded hands four times over!!! This company had more volume on it than Tesla gets... Even if you wanted to play a pink sheet so many things were screaming stay away on this.

Great info. These things are unavoidable when greed is in the picture. I'm sure this won't be the last time someone here gets burned with a stock tip. Live and learn.
 
Great info. These things are unavoidable when greed is in the picture. I'm sure this won't be the last time someone here gets burned with a stock tip. Live and learn.

I have been there a couple times, sadly, and had to learn the hard way... hopefully people at least see what happened with RIVT and take it has a lesson to stay away. There are plenty of cheap (as in low cost to enter) companies on the main exchanges, so unless you know what you are doing by getting a pink sheet, I strongly recommend you stay away.
 
some comments from Andrea James:

Andrea James, an analyst with Dougherty & Co., said the concerns about cash use are off point.
“Funding rapid growth and sea change through companies such as Tesla is exactly what Wall Street is for,” James said in a note Thursday. If the company simply did a secondary offering, it could raise more than $1 billion with only about 3 percent dilution. “As far as bear arguments go, the cash burn one misses the mark.”

Tesla May Need to Raise Capital After Losses, Analysts Say - Bloomberg Business
 
some comments from Andrea James:

Andrea James, an analyst with Dougherty & Co., said the concerns about cash use are off point.
“Funding rapid growth and sea change through companies such as Tesla is exactly what Wall Street is for,” James said in a note Thursday. If the company simply did a secondary offering, it could raise more than $1 billion with only about 3 percent dilution. “As far as bear arguments go, the cash burn one misses the mark.”

Tesla May Need to Raise Capital After Losses, Analysts Say - Bloomberg Business

Thanks Steve. Your post deserves a bump to a top spot on a new page.
 
some comments from Andrea James:

Andrea James, an analyst with Dougherty & Co., said the concerns about cash use are off point.
“Funding rapid growth and sea change through companies such as Tesla is exactly what Wall Street is for,” James said in a note Thursday. If the company simply did a secondary offering, it could raise more than $1 billion with only about 3 percent dilution. “As far as bear arguments go, the cash burn one misses the mark.”

Tesla May Need to Raise Capital After Losses, Analysts Say - Bloomberg Business
She gets it the best of all of them. As someone (Curt Renz?) pointed out awhile back, you can also look at a secondary and say there's no dilution. If on day one Tesla had 100 shares outstanding and was worth $30B, and the next day they added 3% more shares to attract $1B in cash infusion, and if absolutely nothing else changed (not real, I know), they'd have 103 shares outstanding and be worth $31B. Could be interpreted as same $/share value.
 
some comments from Andrea James:

Andrea James, an analyst with Dougherty & Co., said the concerns about cash use are off point.
“Funding rapid growth and sea change through companies such as Tesla is exactly what Wall Street is for,” James said in a note Thursday. If the company simply did a secondary offering, it could raise more than $1 billion with only about 3 percent dilution. “As far as bear arguments go, the cash burn one misses the mark.”

Tesla May Need to Raise Capital After Losses, Analysts Say - Bloomberg Business

Not that they need to do a cash raise, mind you... but she has a point. Everyone knows building a car company is expensive... why are they surprised that Tesla is forced to spend so much money to make this thing work? Do they just want Tesla to pull profits out of thin air? Cause that isn't exactly how investing works... You pay money (giving Tesla your cash) to make money (they make a bunch of a cool product everyone wants and turns a profit). We are so close to that turning point and people are just now turning the knife around to stab Tesla with it? It makes no sense.

Thank you Andrea, at least someone sees through the crap. She always has been one of my favorites :D
 
Not exactly news but this may be the first reported Model 3 clay sighting, from Elon Musk: The Worlds Raddest Man | Wait But Why

I had a chance to visit the Tesla design studio (no pictures allowed), where there were designers sketching car designs on computer screens and, on the other side of the room, full-size car models made of clay. An actual-size clay version of the upcoming Model 3 was surrounded by specialists sculpting it with tiny instruments and blades, shaving off fractions of a millimeter to examine the way light bounced off the curves. There was also a 3D printer that could quickly “print” out a shoe-sized 3D model of a sketched Tesla design so a designer could actually hold their design and look at it from different angles. Deliciously futuristic.
 
Off-take agreements can finance whatever incremental capacity Tesla Energy may need over the next five years or so, and such agreements can be structured to leave less risk to shareholders than financing through debt or equity. So not only would a capital raise for this purpose be nondilutive, it would be non-necessary. Thus, it would only be undertaken if the risk-adjusted returns we're deemed to be greater than offering off-take aggrements. There really is nothing to fear here.

The situation becomes clearer when you look at the needs of large Tesla Energy customers. Consider SolarCity. They absolutely see their business moving to a place where storage is included with each installation. They are also an ambitious growth company that wants to keep doubling every year. In mid-2018, they intend to hit the 1 million customer mark. In the 12 months following that milestone, they will sign up another million customers and keep growing by at least that much each year following. If each new customer required at least 10 kWh of storage, 1 or more Powerwall unit, SolarCity will require a minimum annual supply of 10 GWh starting no later than 2018. More realistically, SolarCity needs to secure twice that, about 20 GWh of annual supply. Moreover, they would want to lock that supply in for their own use and not be subject to waiting on massive backorders. So right now SolarCity needs to invest in about 20 GWh of a Gigafactory. To lock in the supply they need, they should be prepared to invest $2B over the next 3 years. So the question becomes which entity should raise the $2B capital needed for the benefit of SolarCity's ambition. If Tesla and Panasonic raise that capital, then they should be compensated for that in the prices that SolarCity pays for batteries. But more realistically, SolarCity needs to raise most of that capital for itself. More than just a multiyear OTA, I think a JV partnership is in the best interest of SolarCity.
 
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If Tesla is in need of more cash, the solution is imo quite easy:
1) Show off a teaser picture of Model 3
2) Make a hyperbolic statement about its specs & features
3) Put a reserve button on TM website
4) Cash in $10mln a week on deposits (assumption: $2,000 deposit, 5,000 reservations a week)
:)
 
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