SuperCharger - Denton, Tx

[bollar]

It's 413 miles from 755 W Diamond Dr, Salina, KS 67401 to 2710 W University Dr, Denton, TX 76207 - Google Maps, Denton to Salina Superchargers. That means at least 2 or 3 more Superchargers to bridge that gap to offer reasonable spacing for fast charging, fast highway speed, weather margin, and ability for 60's to use the route.

So, really, that means something like:

- Denton, TX to Pauls Valley, OK (111 miles)
- Pauls Valley, OK to Perry, OK (119 miles)
- Perry, OK to Wichita, KS (102 miles)
- Wichita, KS to Salina, KS Supercharger (93 miles)

The two supercharger route would be:

- Denton, TX to Oklahoma City, OK (167 miles)
- Oklahoma City, OK to Wichita, KS (162 miles)
- Wichita, KS to Salina, KS Supercharger (93 miles)

Those distances seem long given other Supercharger routes.

I think Wichita is firm, since it's on the official map and is where I35 and I135 meet.

Given Oklahoma City is a crossroads on the Supercharger routes, I still think we'll see one there. If so, then perhaps four superchargers, not three.

 

[swaltner]

Even being someone that lives in (well just NE of) Wichita, I'd prefer that this isn't right in Wichita to help avoid the temptation of locals recharging. The Belle Plain Service Center is at mile marker 26 on I-35 (the Kansas Turnpike - about 15 miles South of Wichita). Being located on the Turnpike (toll road), there would be little temptation for locals to use it. The Service Centers on the KS Turnpike are equipped with a gas station and food (usually a McDonald's), maybe a dog park and a playground for the kids. Travel Information | Service Areas | Kansas Turnpike Authority

 

[bollar]

Even being someone that lives in (well just NE of) Wichita, I'd prefer that this isn't right in Wichita to help avoid the temptation of locals recharging. The Belle Plain Service Center is at mile marker 26 on I-35 (the Kansas Turnpike - about 15 miles South of Wichita). Being located on the Turnpike (toll road), there would be little temptation for locals to use it. The Service Centers on the KS Turnpike are equipped with a gas station and food (usually a McDonald's), maybe a dog park and a playground for the kids. Travel Information | Service Areas | Kansas Turnpike Authority

That makes sense and would help. That still leaves a long 160 mile haul to the Topeka, SC, though.

 

[jerry33]

The Service Centers on the KS Turnpike are equipped with a gas station and food

I've been to those Kansas stops and there's no edible food, so you'll need to bring a picnic lunch.

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That makes sense and would help. That still leaves a long 160 mile haul to the Topeka, SC, though.

Kansas isn't California, Oregon, or BC so there are no mountain passes to overcome.

 

[KJD]

That makes sense and would help. That still leaves a long 160 mile haul to the Topeka, SC, though.

Tell me again, what is the EPA rated range on your Tesla ?

 

[jerry33]

Tell me again, what is the EPA rated range on your Tesla ?

The concern here is about bad weather which reduces range. An 85 will make [160 miles] it in all conditions, but a 60 is going to be hard pressed in mid-winter or when there is a strong headwind.

 

[RobStark]

Does anyone have a good idea of when this might open? Like, what's the average permit-to-ribbon-cutting time these days?

Put another way, what time period would not surprise you ? Two months? Three months?

The following is according to Blueshift that manages the supercharge.info page.


Enhanced Supercharger Map: zoom in, change range indicators | Forums | Tesla Motors



For the 115 sites for which I recorded a construction date and an open date, the average difference between the two is 32.06 days.


Currently open sites with the greatest number of days between having status construction and stauts open on supercharge.info (top ten):
San Juan Capistrano, CA, 2013-12-04, 2014-05-06, 153
Indio, CA, 2014-05-14, 2014-09-26, 135
Sagamore, MA, 2014-06-17, 2014-10-28, 133
Gila Bend, AZ, 2014-01-24, 2014-05-18, 114
Cordes Lakes, AZ, 2014-06-22, 2014-10-14, 114
Oxnard, CA, 2014-06-04, 2014-09-24, 112
Cranberry, PA, 2014-01-15, 2014-04-04, 79
Buckeye, AZ, 2014-01-05, 2014-03-20, 74
Ocala, FL, 2014-08-24, 2014-11-03, 71
Greenwich, CT (north), 2013-12-05, 2014-02-12, 69





Top ten sites currently under construction by days under construction descending.
Hope, BC, Canada, 2014-08-25, 74
Blindenmarkt, Austria, 2014-09-07, 61
Denver, CO, 2014-09-09, 59
Dayton, OH, 2014-09-17, 51
Auburn, MA, 2014-09-20, 48
Kastrup, Denmark, 2014-09-25, 43
West Hartford, CT, 2014-10-14, 24
Ghent, Belgium, 2014-10-14, 24
Rancho Cucamonga, CA, 2014-10-14, 24
Hirschberg, Germany, 2014-10-15, 23
Same thing for sites currently having permit status:
El Centro, CA, 2014-02-14, 266
Whitehall, PA, 2014-04-04, 217
DeFuniak Springs, FL, 2014-06-14, 146
Drummondville, Canada, 2014-06-19, 141
Atlanta, GA, 2014-07-11, 119
Barrie, Canada, 2014-08-26, 73
Aksdal, Norway, 2014-08-28, 71
Grove City, OH, 2014-09-06, 62
Baton Rouge, LA, 2014-09-17, 51
Revelstoke, Canada, 2014-09-17, 51

 

[bollar]

Tell me again, what is the EPA rated range on your Tesla ?

It's not relevant. All existing Superchargers have been placed less than 130 miles from the next on the route.

But, to answer your question, an S60 doing 70 mph in cold weather has a range of 144 miles, according to Tesla. Rain & wind could have an impact further reducing range.

(Edit: Didn't realize the original figure included NO cabin heat)

 

[MartinAustin]

Very cool data, thanks to you and blueshift. What the heck is going on in El Centro??? :|

The following is according to Blueshift that manages the supercharge.info page.


Enhanced Supercharger Map: zoom in, change range indicators | Forums | Tesla Motors



For the 115 sites for which I recorded a construction date and an open date, the average difference between the two is 32.06 days.


Currently open sites with the greatest number of days between having status construction and stauts open on supercharge.info (top ten):

San Juan Capistrano, CA, 2013-12-04, 2014-05-06, 153
Indio, CA, 2014-05-14, 2014-09-26, 135
Sagamore, MA, 2014-06-17, 2014-10-28, 133
Gila Bend, AZ, 2014-01-24, 2014-05-18, 114
Cordes Lakes, AZ, 2014-06-22, 2014-10-14, 114
Oxnard, CA, 2014-06-04, 2014-09-24, 112
Cranberry, PA, 2014-01-15, 2014-04-04, 79
Buckeye, AZ, 2014-01-05, 2014-03-20, 74
Ocala, FL, 2014-08-24, 2014-11-03, 71
Greenwich, CT (north), 2013-12-05, 2014-02-12, 69


Top ten sites currently under construction by days under construction descending.

Hope, BC, Canada, 2014-08-25, 74
Blindenmarkt, Austria, 2014-09-07, 61
Denver, CO, 2014-09-09, 59
Dayton, OH, 2014-09-17, 51
Auburn, MA, 2014-09-20, 48
Kastrup, Denmark, 2014-09-25, 43
West Hartford, CT, 2014-10-14, 24
Ghent, Belgium, 2014-10-14, 24
Rancho Cucamonga, CA, 2014-10-14, 24
Hirschberg, Germany, 2014-10-15, 23


Same thing for sites currently having permit status:

El Centro, CA, 2014-02-14, 266
Whitehall, PA, 2014-04-04, 217
DeFuniak Springs, FL, 2014-06-14, 146
Drummondville, Canada, 2014-06-19, 141
Atlanta, GA, 2014-07-11, 119
Barrie, Canada, 2014-08-26, 73
Aksdal, Norway, 2014-08-28, 71
Grove City, OH, 2014-09-06, 62
Baton Rouge, LA, 2014-09-17, 51
Revelstoke, Canada, 2014-09-17, 51

 

[SW2Fiddler]

A quick look at the Denton eTRAKIT system:
All the reviews save 'Planning' were completed on or before 11/13. The project is in "Pre-Application."

 

[HillCountryFun]

Cool! Thanks for checking and updating the thread!!

 

[K5ING]

Here's another source for checking on permits in the City of Denton. It's not updated weekly, however (I had to email them to update it last time).

 

[bollar]

Planning has not yet completed their comments.

(11/19/2014 11:40:30 AM AN) Action Created
(11/19/2014 11:40 AM AN) Sent temporary comment set to applicant since Planning's comments are not complete.

 

[bollar]

Planning has not yet completed their comments.

Planning has marked the project complete. Next step is a "pre-application conference."

 

[SW2Fiddler]

Planning has marked the project complete. Next step is a "pre-application conference."

Where do I send the coffee and donuts? Want to nudge them along!

 

[bollar]

A subscriber to the North Texas Tesla mailing list has an email confirming a Denton, TX location and an Ardmore, OK location "coming in the first two months of 2015."

 

[bollar]

So, really, that means something like:

- Denton, TX to Pauls Valley, OK (111 miles)
- Pauls Valley, OK to Perry, OK (119 miles)
- Perry, OK to Wichita, KS (102 miles)
- Wichita, KS to Salina, KS Supercharger (93 miles)

The two supercharger route would be:

- Denton, TX to Oklahoma City, OK (167 miles)
- Oklahoma City, OK to Wichita, KS (162 miles)
- Wichita, KS to Salina, KS Supercharger (93 miles)

Those distances seem long given other Supercharger routes.

I think Wichita is firm, since it's on the official map and is where I35 and I135 meet.

Given Oklahoma City is a crossroads on the Supercharger routes, I still think we'll see one there. If so, then perhaps four superchargers, not three.

Perry, OK has been confirmed. I'm feeling good about that prediction!
Tesla Supercharger network - Page 587

 

[SW2Fiddler]

"As falls Perry, so falls Pauls Valley"
- so the old saying almost goes

 

[Cottonwood]

"As falls Perry, so falls Pauls Valley"
- so the old saying almost goes

Is Pauls Valley speculation, reliable info, or something in between?

Wichita, Perry, Pauls Valley, and Denton certainly make a nicely spaced set of Supercharger Sites on I-35!

Wichita, KS to Denton, TX - Google Maps

 

[TexasEV]

Is Pauls Valley speculation, reliable info, or something in between?

Wichita, Perry, Pauls Valley, and Denton certainly make a nicely spaced set of Supercharger Sites on I-35!

Wichita, KS to Denton, TX - Google Maps

Ardmore has already been confirmed, so Pauls Valley doesn't make sense-- it's only 45 miles away. Between Ardmore and Perry there will have to be something in the Oklahoma City area near the crossroads of two of the busiest north-south and east-west routes in the country, whether on I-40 or I-35.