Supercharger V3 - 0 to 80% in 20 mins?

[Nuclear Fusion]

Tesla Upgrading Its Supercharging Network To V3 For Next-Generation Speeds | CleanTechnica

• 200kW actual charging speed
• Cabinets can support 250kW max speed each
• All Model 3 battery configurations can charge at these speeds
• Supercharger V3 is a full redesign from previous generation
• V3 chargers use the industrial inverters from Tesla’s Powerpacks
• All V3 will eventually have much thinner liquid cables than current ones
• Coolant pump will be located in the base of the Supercharger and can be installed into existing Supercharger V2 stations
• Solar panels and Powerpack integration is a part of the design spec
• Up to 7 V3 cabinets per bus (or block) can be linked, with an optional connection to one Power Pack
• Supercharger V3 will have 40% better throughput performance thanks to a 96% efficiency inverter versus the 92% efficiency inverter in the Supercharger V2 units.
  • The new design also brings reduced harmonics and no over-voltage sensitivity
  • The new efficient design brings an impressive savings in purchased electricity
• Combined AC input is 438kVA, 526A
• Cabinets are on a shared DC radial configured bus of 880-1000
• Any extra power can be shared across cabinets
• Site master controller is 4G LTE for communication for remote diagnostics and billing

 

[scottf200]

Tesla Upgrading Its Supercharging Network To V3 For Next-Generation Speeds | CleanTechnica

Already posted here yesterday directly from the reddit thread: Will first V3 Supercharger be in California? Speculate...

 

[outie]

Faster for Model 3 only?

 

[GoTzillaR]

And no upgrade path for S and X?

 

[commasign]

Honestly if they can deliver a full 120kW for longer without throttling or A/B sharing, that would be awesome.

 

[Anzir]

Unfortunately it's not going to allow our Xs to charge faster but eliminating cabinet sharing would be awesome.

 

[Sonic_78]

Guess S and X are not the pinnacle of what Tesla can produce.

 

[dgatwood]

Faster for Model 3 only?

Not necessarily, the charge speed of the 100 kW packs is being throttled to 120 kW charging in part because that's all the chargers can produce while still keeping at least one of the chargers available for the poor b**tard who plugs in to the stall next to you. But CleanTechnica theorizes that the Model S/X packs could potentially allow for up to 200 kW charging, and the Model 3 up to 175 kW.

And even if that theory proves incorrect — even if the wiring harness from the charge port to the battery can't handle the extra amperage for > 120 kW — the v3 superchargers will still be be (on average) faster for Model S and X, because (as Anzir already mentioned) they will be able to charge both cars at the maximum 120 kW rate even if they arrive at the same time, which will substantially reduce the average charge time if your supercharger is continuously full (all of the Bay Area chargers, for example).

 

[DriverOne]

And no upgrade path for S and X?

For new S&X, sure, I expect Tesla will starting building them like that.

But a retro to add fatter cabling and connectors, possibly even within the battery itself? Unlikely.

 

[Kuhz]

As it was said these V3 Chargers will be sparse and located in remote areas so....

 

[Nuclear Fusion]

 

[Nuclear Fusion]

Charge time will drop by approximately 25% on the existing V2 superchargers

Introducing V3 Supercharging

 

[ggnykk]

Came across this on youtube.

 

[bob_p]

Tesla (Musk) has been talking about V3 superchargers since before the 100 packs went into production, so there's a possibility some design changes were implemented in the 100 packs to provide at least some benefit from the V3 chargers.

Though the biggest impact will likely be elimination of shared chargers coupled with getting the higher volume Model 3s to charge much faster, and increase charger availability.

We had considered delaying our 2017 S and 2018 X purchases until Tesla came out with the V3 superchargers and fast charging support for S/X - and decided it wasn't worth waiting what could be several years just to get faster charging only during road trips.

 

[_jmk]

Sounds like they will pump up the amps on s and x too. This probably means 145kW for 100 pack and 125kW for the 75.

 

[onlinespending]

Sounds like they will pump up the amps on s and x too. This probably means 145kW for 100 pack and 125kW for the 75.

Right. Between this faster rate and preconditioning, we should all benefit from faster charge times, even on V2 chargers. Their press release mentions the S and X receiving a firmware update to unlock faster charging rates in the coming weeks

 

[Hilbe]

I’ve got a 90....fingers crossed.

 

[BlueRidgeksky]

Right. Between this faster rate and preconditioning, we should all benefit from faster charge times, even on V2 chargers. Their press release mentions the S and X receiving a firmware update to unlock faster charging rates in the coming weeks

I still don't know why they wouldn't be more specific about the S and X in their press release. The only thing I can think of is that it would have generated complaints and that they didn't want to distract from the good news for Model 3.

 

[bob_p]

The Model 3's have a newer designed battery pack, likely able to take full advantage of the V3 chargers.

While the 100 packs went into production about the same time Tesla (Musk) first started talking about V3 chargers, it's likely the S/X packs and onboard charging hardware isn't able to (safely) charge as faster as the Model 3's. And providing the details of the relatively slower charging benefits for the more expensive S/X vehicles would have detracted from the V3 announcement.

It's also possible Tesla is continuing to do testing to determine how much faster they can push S/X charging without risking damage to the packs.

Even if our S/X 100D's don't get the full charging benefits that the Model 3's (and future Y's) are getting, we'll still benefit. Elimination of slowing for shared chargers will help significantly. Shortening the time of how long the Model 3's are using a charger will help significantly, because the higher volume 3's (and Y's) will be the highest percentage of vehicles using the Superchargers. And we'll hopefully get some boost in charging rate, which will help some, even if it isn't as much of a gain as what the 3/Y's will be getting...

 

[jerry33]

I still don't know why they wouldn't be more specific about the S and X in their press release. The only thing I can think of is that it would have generated complaints and that they didn't want to distract from the good news for Model 3.

Probably they want to see what the older cars actually do in the real world rather than just simulations. Should the simulations be wrong--then you would see complaints.