Tesla BEV Competition Developments

[replicant]

Watch The new Mercedes-Benz EQC World Premiere: Mercedes-Benz @MercedesBenz

On stage at 17:01. How do you like the design?
Does anyone know the actual specs?

I can't wait for the Model Y.

 

[Brando]

Watch The new Mercedes-Benz EQC World Premiere: Mercedes-Benz @MercedesBenz
How do you like the design?

Looks like Porsche - Panamera SUV/CrossOver

 

[Alfred]

Watch The new Mercedes-Benz EQC World Premiere: Mercedes-Benz @MercedesBenz

On stage at 17:01. How do you like the design?
Does anyone know the actual specs?

I can't wait for the Model Y.

According to this report (in German) about the presentation in Stockholm:
Weigth: 2400 Kg
4WD, front engine for moderate power range, rear engine more powerful (asynchronous machines). Total 300 kW, 765Nm torque.
Battery (408 V, 210 Ah), 80 kWh. NEFZ-range 450 Km. Approx. consumption 22.2 kWh/100Km (Mercedes indication).
Built-in AC charger: 7.4 kW (240x32A). No tri-phasic charging. DC: 110kW CCS max.

 

[Sabre Man]

Here's a very good and detailed review of the Mercedes EQC

 

[scaesare]

NEFZ-range 450 Km. Approx. consumption 22.2 kWh/100Km (Mercedes indication).

Either they are using different math than I am, or whatever "NEFZ-range" isn't worth much.

If the MB consumption spec is correct, range would be 360KM (~225) miles with 80kWh usable. Less if that's full, rather than usable, capacity.

 

[Saghost]

Either they are using different math than I am, or whatever "NEFZ-range" isn't worth much.

If the MB consumption spec is correct, range would be 360KM (~225) miles with 80kWh usable. Less if that's full, rather than usable, capacity.

I'm assuming it's a local language customization of NEDC - which of course means it's much more optimistic than EPA or WTLP.

They also can't seem to get rid of the transmission hump and grill, and opted not to provide a Frunk. Still waiting for more info, but not terribly impressed so far.

 

[Cohiba]

Where's the frunk?

 

[Cohiba]

I'm assuming it's a local language customization of NEDC - which of course means it's much more optimistic than EPA or WTLP.

Exactly, it's just a German translation:
NEFZ – Neuer Europäischer Fahrzyklus
NEDC – New European Driving Cycle

 

[MP3Mike]

Where's the frunk?View attachment 331970

Don't you see the cup holder to the lower right? (Or maybe it is just big enough to hold a can of beer.)

 

[Off Shore]

Where's the frunk?View attachment 331970

Warp core?

 

[renim]

. No tri-phasic charging.

oh, that will be a hard sell, 40kwh Zoe. Nissan 60kWh has tri-phase charging, for EU tri phase charging is really important, forgivable for non premium, but a must for a premium vehicle. between Tesla and Nissan, there is little profit available for those who refuse triphase charging.

 

[svp6]

Unimpressed - up to 200 mi range? A little bland design all way around. I am sure materials will be excellent quality, but at this time it does not even come close to the I-Pace. Let's see Audi's effort next week - hopefully a little better. For now, Tesla seems to remain the king of EVs.

 

[Brando]

"Madison Avenue" Auto Ad Agencies need to hire this guy. I now see that it is the Ads that are holding back electric cars sales. Who knew? Surely a detailed review. Good review?

I wonder if you have to be genetically predisposed to "Madison Avenue Talk"?

from internet search, of course:
Madison Avenue mentality. A way of viewing the world according to which people are more concerned about how things appear to others than how they really are – for example: the appearance of doing the right thing matters more than the actual behavior. Moral values (morals).

And the forever "crazy/unstable" [per Wall Street pundanty] Elon Musk still thinks if you make a great product people will buy it (therefore no need to waste money on ads) and if you don't make a good product you should probably go broke and go out of business. Elon must be an alien or at least he wasn't raised/conditioned by US culture.

How to stay competitive without matching Ad budgets? Continuous Improvement. Is that disruptive?

 

[Brando]

"Madison Avenue" Auto Ad Agencies need to hire this guy. I now see that it is the Ads that are holding back electric cars sales. Who knew? Surely a detailed review. Good review?

I wonder if you have to be genetically predisposed to "Madison Avenue Talk"?


from internet search, of course:
Madison Avenue mentality. A way of viewing the world according to which people are more concerned about how things appear to others than how they really are – for example: the appearance of doing the right thing matters more than the actual behavior. Moral values (morals). [/quote]


And the forever "crazy/unstable" [per Wall Street pundanty] Elon Musk still thinks if you make a great product people will buy it (therefore no need to waste money on ads) and if you don't make a good product you should probably go broke and go out of business. Elon must be an alien or at least he wasn't raised/conditioned by US culture.

How to stay competitive without matching Ad budgets? Continuous Improvement. Is that disruptive?

 

[neroden]

So it looks like the Mercedes is nothing.

Anyone want to talk about the Audi which is actually being manufactured? Anyone know whether it has a frunk?

 

[svp6]

So it looks like the Mercedes is nothing.

Anyone want to talk about the Audi which is actually being manufactured? Anyone know whether it has a frunk?

Just couple more weeks to wait. If it fizzles on range just as the Merc did, that will be a big disappointment for the EV community.

 

[RubberToe]

As seen on Reddit, presented without comment, as none is necessary...

 

[RobStark]

Jaguar I-PACE Sales Hit Just 140 In August: Sign Of Production Hell?

YTD 558

 

[RobStark]

As seen on Reddit, presented without comment, as none is necessary...

Our resident Bolt fanboi says GM is withholding Bolt sales so as not to cross the 200k threshold.

Implying a flood of deliveries after. GM says they are planning to increase production 20%.

 

[RobStark]

Rivian Electric Truck Spied: On Sale Late 2019