Tesla BEV Competition Developments

[JRP3]

Heated seats in the Ford Lightning require a $9.5K options package

https://twitter.com/x/status/1483105719897497604

 

[replicant]

VW, Bosch plan joint venture to equip gigafactories - report

Volkswagen and autos supplier Bosch are planning to form a joint venture to build the machinery to equip Volkswagen's battery cell factories, German monthly Manager magazine reported on Monday, citing anonymous sources.

www.reuters.com

 

[MC3OZ]

 

[SmartElectric]

Heated seats in the Ford Lightning require a $9.5K options package

That's a pretty ignorant take on things. Have you done your research to compare this to any other available vehicle at that price?

My example : The Lightning XLT in Canada starts at $68K CAD and has heated seats, adaptive cruise lane keeping, 426 HP all wheel drive, class IV hitch with 5000 LBS towing, 12" touch screen, digital drivers display, power adjustable pedals seat and lumbar, apple carplay android auto, phone app with preheating and charging control.

I'm eagerly waiting for my chance to order. The price is on par with the most minimally spec'd Tesla. It's $10K CAD cheaper than any AWD Tesla. It's $40K cheaper than anything with 426 HP, 5000 LBS towing on the market (Audi e-tron SUV).

I mean, it's a screaming deal for a very nicely spec'd vehicle with all these capabilities. The order PDF has all these details and more:

Lightning Build & Price for Canada?

With all the excitement for the US configuration going live, any idea when the same will be available to Canadians? I’m wondering if there will be some similar “bait and switch” re XLT ER pricing here. Of course, the Pro here was always fleet-only and not for retail customers so I’m long since...

www.f150gen14.com

I also have a CT Tri-motor reservation which I am losing patience with. Our Tesla S is 9 years old and I'd like a change!

 

[JRP3]

That's a pretty ignorant take on things.

It's 100% accurate "take". Sorry you got hurt feelings from the truth.

 

[ItsNotAboutTheMoney]

That's a pretty ignorant take on things. Have you done your research to compare this to any other available vehicle at that price?

My example : The Lightning XLT in Canada starts at $68K CAD and has heated seats, adaptive cruise lane keeping, 426 HP all wheel drive, class IV hitch with 5000 LBS towing, 12" touch screen, digital drivers display, power adjustable pedals seat and lumbar, apple carplay android auto, phone app with preheating and charging control.

I'm eagerly waiting for my chance to order. The price is on par with the most minimally spec'd Tesla. It's $10K CAD cheaper than any AWD Tesla. It's $40K cheaper than anything with 426 HP, 5000 LBS towing on the market (Audi e-tron SUV).

I mean, it's a screaming deal for a very nicely spec'd vehicle with all these capabilities. The order PDF has all these details and more:

Lightning Build & Price for Canada?

With all the excitement for the US configuration going live, any idea when the same will be available to Canadians? I’m wondering if there will be some similar “bait and switch” re XLT ER pricing here. Of course, the Pro here was always fleet-only and not for retail customers so I’m long since...

www.f150gen14.com

I also have a CT Tri-motor reservation which I am losing patience with. Our Tesla S is 9 years old and I'd like a change!

Poster is in the USA:

https://shop.ford.com/configure/f150-lightning/config/packages/Config%5B%7CFord%7CF-150%20Lightning%7C2022%7C1%7C1.%7C311A.W1E..PHX...99L.775.%5D

Heated front seats are part of the XLT (312A) equipment group. So you first have to buy the XLT ($52,974 v $39,974), then get the XLT (312) group for $9,500.

That CAD $68k price just means that in Canada the XLT includes the upcharge (because cold).

 

[SmartElectric]

Heated front seats are part of the XLT (312A) equipment group. So you first have to buy the XLT ($52,974 v $39,974), then get the XLT (312) group for $9,500.

$63500 - $7500 = $56K USD

XLT 312 : AWD, 450 HP, 5000 LB towing, 98 kWh battery, adaptive cruise with lane keeping, 2000 LB cargo capacity, 360 camera, power seats and lumbar, 9.6 kW of onboard power, etc.

^ pretty much a screaming deal. $56K for all that is an excellent value in todays market.

 

[wdolson]

Ok, so my point stands, claiming heated seats costs a huge amount of money doesn't see the big picture and is disingenuous. The Ford offering here is competitively priced with the option group that includes heated seats (and tons of other content). Saying heated seats costs big $ is obscuring the value and competitive offering Ford is offering in 2022, when there are literally only a handful of EV pickups delivered by anyone.

You can't buy a base Tesla because Tesla doesn't group options like it used to, in 2013, our Model S literally had dozens of options selected to get it to the $100K CAD car that was originally spec'd. Tesla reduced options as they went along, and the new 2022 Tesla offerings show that.

Whereas literally every other auto maker does things as Ford is doing. Actually, the Lightning has less options than the gas version of F150, just a few well chosen options packs, YES, one of which has heated seats. If you want to order a gas F150, you can individually spec heated seats I presume, but because I could care less about a gas truck, I don't know for sure.

Point made : disingenuous and a typical TMC response (that my feelings were somehow hurt, LOL!, what a stupid take) when someone is called out for making such a post, it was categorically oriented in a way to generate negative feedback on Ford, when in fact the Lightning is entering production a year ahead of the Cybertruck (which I do have a reservation for!).

If you're willing to wait most car companies will do "off menu" options if you order your vehicle. My father always ordered his GM cars going back to the 1950s. Back then there were no packages, but when packages became the norm he still was able to add feature from another package if ordering.

When my partner ordered her Impreza in 2012 she had to wait for the car to be built in Japan and shipped, but she got a couple of features from the next package up to the trim package she ordered. I remember fog lights was one of them.

Ford might allow people to just order heated seats on a more base model Lightning. I'd call around several dealerships to make sure because a lot of people working the floor don't know. My father's trick was to ask for the fleet manager.

 

[mblakele]

The Impact of the EV Shift: Japan's Carmakers at a Crossroads - NHK Documentary | NHK WORLD-JAPAN On Demand

As authorities worldwide announce ambitious new targets, the internal combustion engine, heart of the modern automobile, faces an uncertain future in the race to zero emissions. Dubbed the "EV shift," carmakers are scrambling to replace gasoline and diesel vehicles with battery-powered models...

www3.nhk.or.jp

As you'd expect, this NHK documentary puts an emphasis on Japanese automakers: Toyota, Honda, and (via Renault) Nissan. It also touches on Daimler, BMW, and Chinese automakers. Not very deep, and nothing new for astute observers, but decent as an overview. If there was any discussion of battery supply, I missed it.

 

[RobStark]

GM Investing $6.6B In Orion EV Plant, Third US Battery Cell Factory

At a total of $7 billion, this is the single largest investment announcement in GM's history, and $6.6 billion of it is for electric vehicles and battery cells.

insideevs.com

 

[RobStark]

Ford has ~40k credits left in the USA before hitting 200k threshold for phaseout.

Federal EV Tax Credit Phase Out Tracker By Automaker | EVAdoption

evadoption.com

 

[JRP3]

Extensive review of the Rivian including off road hauling. This channel and it's off shoots have a number of videos on the Rivian I haven't yet watched.

 

[petit_bateau]

I've started posting some of the more interesting news/analysis articles that cross my desk on a dedicated thread, this occasionally picks up some BEV-competition items if it interest y'all

Energy Sector News

oil up, ballistic missile technology everywhere these days https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/oil-prices-climb-1-fears-tighter-supply-2022-01-24/

teslamotorsclub.com

(I put the thread there at the suggestion of the Shorting Oil crowd - if it should be relocated I'm cool with that. Very happy if others want to contribute.)

 

[Accident]

A magazine in Norway has been running a yearly real world winter range test. The Model 3 was this year's winner, and the Model Y was one of the closest to the rated WLTP range

Test av rekkevidde for elbiler - vinter 2022 | NAF

Tesla Model 3 kjørte 521 kilometer i årets vintertest. Mercedes-Benz EQS 580 4Matic gikk 513 kilometer. Men ingen av de 31 bilene klarte den oppgitte WLTP-rekkevidden.

nye.naf.no

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Here are the range numbers:

Model (temp. ranged from 0° to -10°)	WLTP number	STOP	Deviation
Tesla Model 3 LR Dual Engine	614 km/14.7 kWh	521 km	-15,15 %
Mercedes-Benz EQS 580 4matic	645 km/18.3 kWh	513 km	-20,47 %
BMW iX xDrive50	591 km/21.4 kWh	503 km	-14,89 %
Tesla Model Y LR Dual Engine	507 km/16.9 kWh	451 km	-11,05 %
Volkswagen ID.3 PRO S	539 km/16.3 kWh	435 km	-19,29 %
Kia EV6 2WD	528 km/16.5 kWh	429 km	-18,75 %
Kia EV6 4WD	484 km/18.0 kWh	428 km	-11,57 %
NIO ES8 LR 7 seats	500 km/21.5 kWh	425 km	-15,00 %
Volkswagen ID.4 Pro	485 km/18.4 kWh	414 km	-14,64 %
Hyundai Ioniq 5 2WD	481 km/16.8 kWh	408 km	-15,18 %
BMW i4 M50	497 km/19.0 kWh	406 km	-18,31 %
Skoda Enyaq iV80X	477 km/18.2 kWh	403 km	-15,51 %
Porsche Taycan 4 Cross Turismo	456 km/22.4 kWh	402 km	-11,84 %
Polestar 2 LR Single engine	517 km/18.6 kWh	400 km	-22,63 %
Audi e-tron GT	463 km/21.1 kWh	392 km	-15,33 %
Xpeng P7	470 km/19.4 kWh	383 km	-18,51 %
Audi e-tron Q4 40	485 km/18.6 kWh	380 km	-21,65 %
Hyundai Ioniq 5 4WD (19-inch)	460 km/17.7 kWh	369 km	-19,78 %
Hyundai Ioniq 5 LR 4WD (20-inch)	430 km/17.7 kWh	x	x
BYD Seaweed	400 km/21.6 kWh	356 km	-11,00 %
Volkswagen ID.4 GTX	475 km/18.6 kWh	353 km	-25,68 %
Audi e-tron Q4 50 quattro	459 km/19.1 kWh	349 km	-23,97 %
Skoda Enyaq iV80	509 km/17.7 kWh	347 km	-31,83 %
Tesla Model 3 SR	448 km/14.0 kWh	346 km	-22,87 %
Polestar 2 LR Dual engine	476 km/20.2 kWh	340 km	-28,57 %
Polestar 2 LR Dual motor (m luggage)	470 km/19.5 kWh	x	x
Cupra Born	395 km/15.4 kWh	339 km	-14,18 %
Volvo C40 Recharge	437 km/21.1 kWh	333 km	-23,80 %
Mercedes-Benz EQA 250	401 km/17.7 kWh	331 km	-17,46 %
BMW iX xDrive40	402 km/20.7 kWh	316 km	-21,39 %
Mercedes-Benz EQB 350 4matic	407 km/18.1 kWh	315 km	-22,60 %
Opel Mokka-e	338 km/16.2 kWh	263 km	-22,19 %
Peugeot e-2008	320 km/15.6 kWh	228 km	-28,75 %

 

[JRP3]

Rivian crash and fire

Check Out This Rivian R1T That Crashed Into A Pole: Fire Reported

A brand new Rivian R1T all-electric pickup, one of only about 1,000+ on the roads, crashed into a traffic pole.

insideevs.com

 

[EVCollies]

Some concept cars from Subaru:

Subaru unveils a 1,073HP electric race car

Subaru is diving further into EVs with its 1,073HP STI E-RA race car concept as well as a Solterra STI.

finance.yahoo.com

Hilarious to see them compare these concept single seater race cars to a production family series five door hatchback.

 

[Discoducky]

Hilarious to see them compare these concept single seater race cars to a production family series five door hatchback.

Wow, I've heard of all talk before, but this is in a whole new league....

"It's hoping to set a Nürburgring lap time of 6 minutes and 40 seconds at some point in 2023."

 

[JRP3]

Sandy checks out the Rivian and talks to RJ

 

[Cobos]

A magazine in Norway has been running a yearly real world winter range test. The Model 3 was this year's winner, and the Model Y was one of the closest to the rated WLTP range

Test av rekkevidde for elbiler - vinter 2022 | NAF

Tesla Model 3 kjørte 521 kilometer i årets vintertest. Mercedes-Benz EQS 580 4Matic gikk 513 kilometer. Men ingen av de 31 bilene klarte den oppgitte WLTP-rekkevidden.

nye.naf.no

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Just for some reference Motor the magazine in question is NAFs (our equivalent to AAA) magazine. They are fairly neutral and consumer based and have a big impact in the local market. With similar magazines in Sweden and Finland they also do winter and summer tire comparison reviews as well.
I might add they have followup article about charging speed for mostly the same car models.

Kinesisk flopp og tysk gull i vår ladetest av elbiler

De dyreste tyske elbilene imponerer i ladetest, mens en ny kineser flopper fullstendig. De koreanske lynladerne Kia og Hyundai klarer ikke å holde rekordfarten i vinterkulda.

www.motor.no

This is winterbased charging so in temperatures around freezing or 0 degrees C.

 

[Jeff N]

Just for some reference Motor the magazine in question is NAFs (our equivalent to AAA) magazine. They are fairly neutral and consumer based and have a big impact in the local market. With similar magazines in Sweden and Finland they also do winter and summer tire comparison reviews as well.
I might add they have followup article about charging speed for mostly the same car models.

Kinesisk flopp og tysk gull i vår ladetest av elbiler

De dyreste tyske elbilene imponerer i ladetest, mens en ny kineser flopper fullstendig. De koreanske lynladerne Kia og Hyundai klarer ikke å holde rekordfarten i vinterkulda.

www.motor.no

This is winterbased charging so in temperatures around freezing or 0 degrees C.

In English:

Kinesisk flopp og tysk gull i vår ladetest av elbiler

De dyreste tyske elbilene imponerer i ladetest, mens en ny kineser flopper fullstendig. De koreanske lynladerne Kia og Hyundai klarer ikke å holde rekordfarten i vinterkulda.

www-motor-no.translate.goog