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Tesla has a monopoly. Best to wait?

Discussion in 'Model S' started by gowthamn, Apr 8, 2017.

  1. gowthamn

    gowthamn Science

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    Tesla currently has a monopoly in the high end EV market. I am thinking of waiting until there is competition before I buy.
    I test drove 5 series, E class and MS on the same day. My budget is 100k.

    Some of the features which the MS does not have are:

    Door storage
    Better choice of color and materials for interior
    Head rest adjustment.
    Cooled seats
    Too much outside noise not being filtered
    Options like spoilers
    Panel gap is too much in the Tesla I test drove
    The interior does not feel like a 100k car in general
    Charging takes too long. Hope to have higher capacity chargers like 300 or 500 kwh.


    I think that since Tesla has a monopoly they can get away with not providing even basic features and still sell well. I am planning to wait until there is competition from German manufactures who I am sure will provide more luxury features with better build quality. Then Tesla has to improve its quality and features.
    I like the instant torque of electric cars hence I don't want to buy ICE cars.
    I will miss too many convenience features if I buy a MS now.
     
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  2. doubleohwhat

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    ok

    Yup. The i3 is a sexy beast.
     
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  3. deonb

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    The first 8 I agree with.

    The 9th - what is your scenario where charging takes too long for you?
     
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  4. Hugh Mannity

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    Go for the MS. It's fantastic. I think it's going to be years still before you get your electric/luxury combo other than Tesla.
     
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  5. tpham07

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    Correct me if i'm wrong but i'm 99.9% sure you can buy a spoiler for the Model S.

    "Tesla has to improve its quality and features" Tesla doesn't feel the need to compete with traditional cars. And i like the feature set that's included. Things like autopilot have sealed the deal for this owner.

    And without a network of superchargers, any other brand of EV seems pointless to me.
     
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  6. gowthamn

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    40 minutes is too long. And super chargers are not there everywhere. Other chargers are much slower.
     
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  7. gowthamn

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    I hope the 300 kwh chargers build by German manufactures comes to US. But Tesla has the advantage in US.

    Also autopilot is not much better than assisted driving currently. It will improve with time I guess, but the improvement with Tesla vision is so slow.
     
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  8. deonb

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    Too long for what? Do you drive to Portland or Vancouver on a weekly basis?

    Just asking because I think I have fairly average usage for someone living in the Pacific North West, and I spend far less time per year waiting for charging than I used to spend waiting to fill up at gas stations.

    But if you have a more unusual usage pattern, I can certainly understand that.
     
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  9. mrtian97

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    I believe Tesla has and will continue leading the high tech auto industry, the shareholders seem to believe so. Tesla is not for everyone and they should not be, otherwise it will dilute the brand.
     
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    I think people used to ICE cars don't realize you won't be supercharging unless you drive 300+ miles in the same day. In a gas car, I filled up the tank at a gas station every 5 days. I've had my Tesla since September and have never once had to charge it publicly. It charges in my garage over night.
     
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  11. gowthamn

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    Since you are in Redmond, how do you go to MT Rainer or Olympic national park etc? No Super chargers. Just normal once which take a long time.
     
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    bonnie Oil is for sissies.

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    If I had waited until there was competition, I'd have missed out on 6+ years of driving a Tesla ... and would continue missing out for the foreseeable future.

    I'm happy to be on the right side of history. :)
     
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  13. SDRick

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    If you want the mass, amenities, fit and finish of a euro Lux, Tesla is not the car for you. For me, recognizing those shortcomings, I still decided on a P90DL and loving every minute of it.

    While you do sacrifice on some of the metrics, the pluses of this car for me overrides. I spend the majority of my time driving thinking of how unique, powerful and responsive the Tesla is, and very little time thinking about missing features and niceties.

    I would also like to see some competition, but it'll be several years at least. You may as well enjoy and drive one now, suck up the minor deficiencies and sell when something better comes along.

    There is really nothing like it on the road.
     
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  15. gowthamn

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    The driving experience of Tesla is nice. That is why did not buy 5 series or E class. Electric cars are awesome for driving experience. I hate turbo lag. I am imagining a car with the luxury of bmw or merc with the the technology of tesla. Some day I hope ! :):)
     
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    Talk about sacrifice. Up to 87 miles per charge and 7.9 seconds 0 to 60. I would not call that a Tesla drivetrain.
     
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  17. bob_p

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    Door storage: when transitioning from our Lexus LS, our first Model S had less storage (at that time, Tesla didn't offer a console). With the console, there's an increase in storage, and when we bought our 2nd Model S a few weeks ago, found that we didn't need as much "stuff", and have extra space now in the glove compartment & console.

    Better choice of color & interior materials: Tesla has recently reduced the number of options for the interior. Though, we are very satisfied with our ultra white seats and carbon fiber trim (the "stormtrooper" configuration).

    Headrest adjustment: This was added in the recent 8.1 release. The lumbar controls now control both lumbar and the headrest height.

    Cooled seats: I had ventilated seats in our Lexus LS, and used them on hot days. With the ability to vent the sunroof on our two Model S cars (from the smartphone app), turn on the AC a few minutes before arriving at the car (again, using our smartphones), and the new overheat protection (added in 8.0), we're able to have the car at a comfortable temperature by the time we get to it. So, we really haven't found any need for the ventilated seats during Texas summers.

    Too much outside nose: While the Model S cabin isn't as quiet as other luxury cars, the lack of an engine combined with the new sound deadening tires, does reduce the noise quite a bit - and at full highway speeds, the Model S doesn't seem to be any noisier than my previous Lexus.

    Options like spoilers: Tesla has limited options - 3rd parties offer some aftermarket options.

    Panel gap: I noticed that in our first Model S - and didn't believe it was a big issue - we've since purchased an S 100D and have two Model 3's on order.

    Interior does not feel like a $100K car: Tesla has made progress since the early production cars (ours was VIN 3xxx). The new seats are considerably more comfortable and the 17" console is still the market leader. Clearly there are tradeoffs in purchasing a Model S vs. a luxury ICE. Before purchasing our first Model S, I did a spreadsheet comparing the S P85 with fully loaded ICEs - and decided that having the 0-60 instant acceleration and never having to stop at a gas station, along with the onboard display and apps - was worth giving up some of the "convenience" features in the other luxury cars.

    Charging takes too long: We did a 2500+ mile road trip last summer. Stopping every few hours turned out not to be that big of a deal - with 15-20 minute stops at most of the superchargers and longer stops for meals and overnight hotels. Our biggest disappointment was that the range of the S P85 wasn't enough to easily make the gaps between some of the superchargers, forcing us to slow down several times. With 344 miles of rated range at 100% with the new S 100D's, that shouldn't be a problem for future road trips - plus Tesla is adding more superchargers.

    Higher capacity chargers: Those coming. However, unless someone does frequent road trips, time spent at a supercharger isn't going to be a major factor over the life of the car. Our typical road trips are 175 or 290 miles - and with the S 100D, we won't need to stop at a supercharger for the shorter trip - and for the longer trip, we should only need to stop long enough to hit the restrooms and get a drink/snack for the road. Supercharging time really only becomes a factor if doing a longer road trip - so even if Tesla significantly increased charging rate, it would only help us on longer road trips - which we might take once or twice a year.

    Owning a long range EV isn't for everyone. Though waiting for competing long range EVs may not provide much benefit. It'll take a while before there is an equivalent to Tesla's supercharger & destination charger network. And the other manufacturers are going to hit the same price barriers Tesla has faced, making it difficult to provide a long range EV and a full slate of convenience features - at a price comparable to luxury ICEs.
     
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  18. deonb

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    Mt Rainier -> I have enough range for that, but I generally go to MuckleShoot casino afterwards anyway, which has a free J1772. It's slow, but casinos are slower :).
    Olympic National Park -> SilverDale or Bremerton Chademo

    So the first is a non-issue. The second is. You need about 90 minutes there total on the way there+back from Redmond, and it's real waiting time - those chargers aren't exactly located next to a Ruth's Chris. But it's maybe a once-a-year trip, so that's 90 minutes/year.

    And it sucks, but it sucks more spending 6 hours a year driving to gas stations and filling up - which is what I used to do. I can do quite a few SuperCharging/Chademo stops in that time.
     
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    Gasoline is dangerous and poisonous. Even though gas stations are "everywhere", I personally do not wish to use them again. Gas engines are inefficient. On top of that, it doesn't matter that one might "fill up" in ten minutes rather that forty, you don't fill your tank at home. It may take longer once in a great while, but generally, it doesn't. It fills up at night when I'm not using it. A gas car, at best, drips oil.

    As far as "other chargers", other than the one in my garage where my car is parked many hours a day, I never use them. When on a trip, somehow I find chargers within a two hundred fifty mile radius. I have put 120,000 miles on my Tesla and have not been inconvenienced. If I did have to spend forty minutes somewhere, believe me, I would have planned for it and walked to a nearby restaurant. If planning is too hard, all I have to say is some people aren't ready for an electric.
     
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    IMHO "German quality" is a myth. Yes, they build cars that make a good initial first impression with aesthetically pleasing design and materials, but in terms of longer-term reliability and dependability, no way.
     
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