martinicus
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Praying that the cost of the X60D upgrade comes down from 9,500 (before tax). That is insanity.
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Tesla Motors: PLEASE stop lying about specifications (60 to 75 upgrade)
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avesraggiana
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Thanks for seconding my hunch. To round out what you’ve already said, I want that extra padding in mileage, not only for tiredness and laziness, but also so I can floor it and take up the inevitable impromptu freeway drag race and not have to worry about babying and hypermiling the car along the way.
avesraggiana
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Need some clarification on what you’re saying. Not harmful to charge to 100% as long as you drive right away after charging - “Right away” meaning, after unplugging from the charger, or very, very soon after your indicator reads that you’ve reached 100%?
Thanks.
Tesla has never given exact data on 100%charging. I believe this is partly because it might be taken by some as some sort of guarantee and partly because they really don't know as may be highly specific to each battery. This has been discussed several times in threads. Personally, i follow the thought that you charge to 90% as normal over nite and then charge to100% starting about 2hours before you leave. No one has reportes sitting at 100% for 2-3 hours has caused them degredation. In fact, there is one owner who reportedly has been trying to kill his battery in an arguement and been unsuccessful. In my case, finishing a100% charge to rated miles often leaves me with regeneration still working. 100% may not be really 100% for some cars.
avesraggiana
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Clear enough explanation under the circumstances. I think I’ll be following your example, charging to 90% every evening, etc.
Thank you.
fallen888
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So has the argument of whether the 60 is top or bottom-limited been resolved? Because, as I understand it, that would make or break the case for charging it to 100% all the time.
Yes. It was proven in post 1 of this thread. Charging a software locked 60 to 100% equates to 86% of the underlying battery.
fallen888
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avesraggiana
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Looks like someone forgot to his happy pill this morning.
First World Problem-fulminating. They're just cars. I say, just enjoy them!
I mean Apple sells a 64gb phone, but when you turn it on for the first time it is more like 59Gb
The original point here, though, was two-fold. We also discussed usable kWh, like usable Gb on that Apple iPhone. An Apple iPhone does have a 64 Gb chip in it, but since the OS etc. need space, not all of that is usable to the user.
However, the point was, that for several models, Tesla seems to have been misrepresenting the total kWh as well, not just the usable one. So, given your Apple phone example, a Tesla might have had advertised 64 Gb, but really the car only had 61 Gb in parts, of which 56 Gb is usable.
Tesla seems to have corrected their ways in the very latest models, though, and for low-end models they were not as misleading in the first place. Hopefully we can put this episode behind us eventually, but that doesn't really make whole many earlier buyers/owners...
lolachampcar
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WK just does not tolerate fools well (not that I'm calling anyone a fool)....Looks like someone forgot to his happy pill this morning.
Trait I find fairly common in very skilled people, engineers especially (some whom may lack in social graces as well). They have a low tolerance for people beneath their skill level.
And let's be honest, we are all beneath @wk057 's mad skillz level.
Ergo we are all fools.
fallen888
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It's true - used to be a more predominant case when not everyone and their grandmother was a computer/engineer nerd. Many of the (book) smart folks out there are quite socially inept.
It's okay, we all have our sh*t.This is a great thread. It's very interesting to see that the usable capacity in a new 60 pack is 62.5kWh
Using trip meters in my X60D does not seem to jive with that. I charge to 100%(200 miles):
When I have 150 miles remaining range(75% battery remaining), the trip meter tells me that I've used 14.1kWh.
When I have 100 miles remaining range(50% battery remaining), the trip meter tells me that I've used 28.2kWh.
Extrapolating, that seems to mean that when I hit 0 miles remaining range(0% battery remaining), I will have used 56.4kWh. That doesn't jive with the 62.5kWh number. I definitely don't think wk057 is wrong, just trying to figure out where the disconnect may between what the trip meter says that I've used vs. what the battery is capable of.
Using trip meters in my X60D does not seem to jive with that. I charge to 100%(200 miles):
When I have 150 miles remaining range(75% battery remaining), the trip meter tells me that I've used 14.1kWh.
When I have 100 miles remaining range(50% battery remaining), the trip meter tells me that I've used 28.2kWh.
Extrapolating, that seems to mean that when I hit 0 miles remaining range(0% battery remaining), I will have used 56.4kWh. That doesn't jive with the 62.5kWh number. I definitely don't think wk057 is wrong, just trying to figure out where the disconnect may between what the trip meter says that I've used vs. what the battery is capable of.
There are other things the meter does not show like climate usage, 12V battery charging, vampire drain, etc. moreover your energy meter might not be calibrated so when you fully charged to 100% it might be a bit less than the full usable 62.5Kwh. so unless the conditions are perfect you will not be able to see the full 62.5KWh.
Whaaat? All of those things seem to be included in the meter, I think. When using heavy heat or A/C the Wh/mi number goes up quite a bit, which to me indicates that energy usage towards climate is indeed being counted by the trip meter.
I think the meter just look at how much you used to go a certain miles. It cpuls be that the climate is included but I know others are not included.
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