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Let ook op hoe Tesla het bereik van hun truck hebben gespecificeerd: 500 mijl bij Gross Vehicle Weight en Highway Speed.
Dus niet bij stadsvervoer, zonder optrekken/afremmen e.d.
Een EPA/NEDC rating voor trucks - die een mix van snelweg/stadstrajecten test- bestaat neem ik aan niet.

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We moeten wel de effecten van regeneratief remmen niet onderschatten. Dat speelt juist in die situaties.
 
Cummins Beats Tesla To The Punch, Unveiling Heavy Duty Electric Truck

Cummins heeft ook Brammo, van de elektrische motorfietsen, overgenomen vorige maand. Eén van de weinige grote spelers die al uitziet naar een elektrische toekomst.
"An extended range version, which uses an efficient diesel engine as an on-board generator, will be available a year later, offering up to 300 miles between charges and 50 percent fuel savings compared to today’s diesel hybrids with zero emissions."
Dit beat Tesla duidelijk to the punch
 
En nu geeft hij me nog gelijk ook!? :confused:
Zijn we hem dan toch aan het bekeren?
Cummins Beats Tesla To The Punch, Unveiling Heavy Duty Electric Truck

Cummins heeft ook Brammo, van de elektrische motorfietsen, overgenomen vorige maand. Eén van de weinige grote spelers die al uitziet naar een elektrische toekomst.
Een prima stap in de goede richting dit. Jammer van de lage actieradius of hybride versie, maar dat komt waarschijnlijk omdat ze gewoon 5 jaar achterlopen op Tesla. Hopelijk pusht Tesla's propositie ze om ook naar een hogere actieradius te werken.
Concurrentie valideert de business case.
 
Uit insideevs.com:
Alvast dit: argument omtrent de snelladers die er nog niet zijn is uit pure onwetendheid natuurlijk.
Verder zie ik wel een bevestiging van mijn statement dat prestaties op zich niet belangrijk zijn. Al beseft de brave man ook niet dat het koppel hem ook aan 90km/h de berg op zal helpen.

UK Truckers Knock Tesla Semi, Performance Isn’t Important
2 hours ago by Steven Loveday 8Comments


Tesla Semi

The United Kingdom’s Road Haulage Association (RHA) is not impressed with the Tesla Semi.
Ok, that might not be a completely fair statement, since, if Tesla can truly pull it off, we’re sure anyone will be impressed on some level. However, for what it’s worth, the RHA isn’t convinced of Tesla’s “claimed” figures nor does the association even believe that the semi’s performance figures are necessarily applicable to the segment. The association’s policy advisor, Rod McKenzie, told Autocar:


Tesla Semi cabin

“Hauliers don’t care about these claimed figures. They’re not relevant to us. We’re not looking for performance, not least because lorries’ speed is limited to 56mph.”

McKenzie also believes that convincing truck drivers to actually pilot these electric semis may prove difficult. He said:

“I’ve spoken to a few of them and most have laughed. Tesla has a lot to prove. Hauliers are not risk-taking people and will need to be convinced.”

However, in the end, McKenzie does believe that electric semis are the way of the future. He just doesn’t see it as something that can happen so soon. McKenzie shared:

“My gut feeling is that they are 20 years away.”

As an industry expert, he points to cost, range, and cargo capacity as key factors, which will determine the eventual adoption of electric trucking. McKenzie elaborated:

“I’m worried about the price point. The Tesla Semi is likely to cost more than £200,000 (~$266,000), which is beyond the budget of hauliers in the UK. A lorry here costs £85,000 ($113,000). And with the industry making margins of 2-3%, we can’t afford that extra cost.

The Tesla Semi has a reported range of 500 miles. That’s quite a lot less than a diesel lorry. It means charging. First of all, where are the charging points? There aren’t many around. And lorries can be filled up with diesel very quickly. Musk said there would be quick-charging in 30 minutes but I think we need to see charging times in real terms. Any loss of time greatly reduces our operational efficiency.”
 
Uit insideevs.com:
Alvast dit: argument omtrent de snelladers die er nog niet zijn is uit pure onwetendheid natuurlijk.
Verder zie ik wel een bevestiging van mijn statement dat prestaties op zich niet belangrijk zijn. Al beseft de brave man ook niet dat het koppel hem ook aan 90km/h de berg op zal helpen.

UK Truckers Knock Tesla Semi, Performance Isn’t Important
2 hours ago by Steven Loveday 8Comments

The United Kingdom’s Road Haulage Association (RHA) is not impressed with the Tesla Semi.
Ok, that might not be a completely fair statement, since, if Tesla can truly pull it off, we’re sure anyone will be impressed on some level. However, for what it’s worth, the RHA isn’t convinced of Tesla’s “claimed” figures nor does the association even believe that the semi’s performance figures are necessarily applicable to the segment. The association’s policy advisor, Rod McKenzie, told Autocar:

“Hauliers don’t care about these claimed figures. They’re not relevant to us. We’re not looking for performance, not least because lorries’ speed is limited to 56mph.”

McKenzie also believes that convincing truck drivers to actually pilot these electric semis may prove difficult. He said:

“I’ve spoken to a few of them and most have laughed. Tesla has a lot to prove. Hauliers are not risk-taking people and will need to be convinced.”

However, in the end, McKenzie does believe that electric semis are the way of the future. He just doesn’t see it as something that can happen so soon. McKenzie shared:

“My gut feeling is that they are 20 years away.”

As an industry expert, he points to cost, range, and cargo capacity as key factors, which will determine the eventual adoption of electric trucking. McKenzie elaborated:

“I’m worried about the price point. The Tesla Semi is likely to cost more than £200,000 (~$266,000), which is beyond the budget of hauliers in the UK. A lorry here costs £85,000 ($113,000). And with the industry making margins of 2-3%, we can’t afford that extra cost.
The Tesla Semi has a reported range of 500 miles. That’s quite a lot less than a diesel lorry. It means charging. First of all, where are the charging points? There aren’t many around. And lorries can be filled up with diesel very quickly. Musk said there would be quick-charging in 30 minutes but I think we need to see charging times in real terms. Any loss of time greatly reduces our operational efficiency.”


Ik heb ook maar een steen in de vijver van die zure Engelse truckers gegooid.

Truckers in Europe need a range of about 500 km, 303 miles. Truckdrivers are allowed to drive for maximum 4,5 hours. During that time trucks can get away about 360 km. Than the driver must stop 45 minutes. During that time the battery can be charged again to 500 km at a Tesla Megacharger. After 9 hours, the drivers max for one day, the driver is home and the truck can be charged overnight at the company.
With a range of 800 km things get even more simple. Tanking diesel costs about 20 minutes, charging costs no time at all.

In the Netherlands, diesel costs Euro 1,36 per liter, 5,14 Euro per gallon, 6,06 USD per gallon. With a consumption of 1 liter to 3,5 km, the dieseltruck uses for 100.000 km a total of 28.571 liter of diesel. Total cost in Euro’s for the diesel alone is 38.857 euro’s.

For 100.000 km a Tesla truck uses 2 kWh for a mile. That is 1,25 kWh for a kilometer. Total 125.000 kWh.
The price for the industry for a kWh in the Netherlands is 0,051394 euro per kWh (Central Buro of Stats 2016)
Tesla will charge 0,07 USD per kWh, about the same amount as is usual for industry in the Netherlands
The cost of electricity for 100.000 km is 125.000 x 0,051394 = 6.424 euro.

That makes a huge difference on fuel alone of 38.857 – 6.424 euro = 32.433 Euro’s in favor of the Tesla Semi.
Per kilometer the savings are 0,32 Euro. Per mile this is 0,20 euro or 0,24 USD.
The Tesla Semi costs about 150.000 USD. In about 4,5 years the truck has easily saved that 150.000 USD.
Trucks live about 10 years so you can can get 2 Tesla Semi’s alone for free with the savings on diesel.
The calculations get even better for an electric truck, they don’t pay roadtax, diesels do.

Dieseltrucks are banned from many cities and that will get worse for dieseltrucks. Electric trucks are welcome everywhere.
Tesla will be very successful if they manage to get a real world range of 500 km/350 miles.
The TCO of the Tesla Semi will be unbeatable for many years.
 
Ik heb ook maar een steen in de vijver van die zure Engelse truckers gegooid.

Truckers in Europe need a range of about 500 km, 303 miles. Truckdrivers are allowed to drive for maximum 4,5 hours. During that time trucks can get away about 360 km. Than the driver must stop 45 minutes. During that time the battery can be charged again to 500 km at a Tesla Megacharger. After 9 hours, the drivers max for one day, the driver is home and the truck can be charged overnight at the company.
With a range of 800 km things get even more simple. Tanking diesel costs about 20 minutes, charging costs no time at all.

In the Netherlands, diesel costs Euro 1,36 per liter, 5,14 Euro per gallon, 6,06 USD per gallon. With a consumption of 1 liter to 3,5 km, the dieseltruck uses for 100.000 km a total of 28.571 liter of diesel. Total cost in Euro’s for the diesel alone is 38.857 euro’s.

For 100.000 km a Tesla truck uses 2 kWh for a mile. That is 1,25 kWh for a kilometer. Total 125.000 kWh.
The price for the industry for a kWh in the Netherlands is 0,051394 euro per kWh (Central Buro of Stats 2016)
Tesla will charge 0,07 USD per kWh, about the same amount as is usual for industry in the Netherlands
The cost of electricity for 100.000 km is 125.000 x 0,051394 = 6.424 euro.

That makes a huge difference on fuel alone of 38.857 – 6.424 euro = 32.433 Euro’s in favor of the Tesla Semi.
Per kilometer the savings are 0,32 Euro. Per mile this is 0,20 euro or 0,24 USD.
The Tesla Semi costs about 150.000 USD. In about 4,5 years the truck has easily saved that 150.000 USD.
Trucks live about 10 years so you can can get 2 Tesla Semi’s alone for free with the savings on diesel.
The calculations get even better for an electric truck, they don’t pay roadtax, diesels do.

Dieseltrucks are banned from many cities and that will get worse for dieseltrucks. Electric trucks are welcome everywhere.
Tesla will be very successful if they manage to get a real world range of 500 km/350 miles.
The TCO of the Tesla Semi will be unbeatable for many years.

Foutje gemaakt in de besparing per mile.
Besparing op brandstof per kilometer 0,32 Euro
Besparing op brandstof per mile 0,53 Euro
Besparing op brandstof per mile 0,62 USD