Tesla Software updates - Australia

[Vostok]

The Tesla fleet now in the millions and increasing.

FYI, Tesla has just made its 5 millionth EV…

Tesla produces its five millionth EV, takes just six months for last million

Tesla has produced its five millionth EV, which happens to be the latest version of its first mass-market electric car, the Model 3.

thedriven.io

 

[Hairyman]

Hmmm… even at only 10k km/yr/vehicle that’s half a trillion km of driving data.

 

[paulp]

Hmmm… even at only 10k km/yr/vehicle that’s half a trillion km of driving data.

Thats global data not country or road specific data. Given autopilot has not improved from its issues and makes the same error at the same location every time I’m sceptical that they utilise much of that data. You’d think the 60 sign that is now 100 due to the road becoming a freeway several years ago would be learnt by now

 

[Quickst]

I’m sceptical that they utilise much of that data

the data is increasing rapidly now but was not really available a few years ago.
The other thing is previously Tesla used an explicit programming model which it has discovered is not really working.

 

[moa999]

And Tesla has only recently turned on its first Dojo computer to actually process all the data.

 

[paulp]

And Tesla has only recently turned on its first Dojo computer to actually process all the data.

And yet elon musk stated many years ago that the data was being used to improve autopilot and make it safer than a human

 

[EcoCloudIT]

And yet elon musk stated many years ago that the data was being used to improve autopilot and make it safer than a human

Yes...like my AP1 was meant to always feel like a new car and would eventually drive itself (lots of broken promises there in that it never could drop me at the front my house and park itself).

Then came along AP2, Tesla/Musk says 100% we will be FSD by years end...this was in 2017...didn't happen...then we’re told AP3 will do it (…I stupidly bought it on our late 2018 X) and now just recently told that AP3 will not achieve FSD (even though Tesla are still selling cars with AP3 and saying it will achieve FSD) and that we will require HW4…you lost me…

Not saying HW4 won't achieve FSD (hope it does), but Tesla's broken promises doesn't bode well for me....

On another note:
Just got out of a EQS something something (I’m in Shanghai at the moment) and "Oh my God.....Tesla is not even in the same ball court".....don't get me started on HiPhi, LiAuto, Xpeng, NEO....it's bat s&^t crazy here now...roads super smooth, no pollution (blue skies like Australia) and often 8 out of 10 cars are EVs...the streets are so quiet and not stinky anymore...China is changing and changing fast....

 

[paulp]

Yes...like my AP1 was meant to always feel like a new car and would eventually drive itself (lots of broken promises there in that it never could drop me at the front my house and park itself).

Then came along AP2, Tesla/Musk says 100% we will be FSD by years end...this was in 2017...didn't happen...then we’re told AP3 will do it (…I stupidly bought it on our late 2018 X) and now just recently told that AP3 will not achieve FSD (even though Tesla are still selling cars with AP3 and saying it will achieve FSD) and that we will require HW4…you lost me…

Not saying HW4 won't achieve FSD (hope it does), but Tesla's broken promises doesn't bode well for me....

On another note:
Just got out of a EQS something something (I’m in Shanghai at the moment) and "Oh my God.....Tesla is not even in the same ball court".....don't get me started on HiPhi, LiAuto, Xpeng, NEO....it's bat s&^t crazy here now...roads super smooth, no pollution (blue skies like Australia) and often 8 out of 10 cars are EVs...the streets are so quiet and not stinky anymore...China is changing and changing fast....

You missed the promise to never forget early adopters

 

[cafz]

Tesla tacc has not been fit-for-purpose since the day they ditched Mobileye for their own quarter baked system

I've been using the TACC most drives, every day for 4 years and it's fine. I cancel it if there's vehicles parked or riding in the left of the traffic lane without a separating line.

 

[paulp]

I've been using the TACC most drives, every day for 4 years and it's fine. I cancel it if there's vehicles parked or riding in the left of the traffic lane without a separating line.

I do not share you enthusiasm

 

[Quickst]

And yet elon musk stated many years ago that the data was being used to improve autopilot and make it safer than a human

I also quickly learnt that the RocketMan said lot of things and realised that his frame of reference is different to everyone else.

 

[Quickst]

I've been using the TACC most drives

I do TACC routinely but watch out for the school zones. Some are recognised but Ive discovered a few are not
Autosteer beta is better than the my VW lane keeping technology, though there are 2 sections of road which i regularly drive on which it goes pear shape (which the VW can't cope with either):

One when the road widens on the left side and the AP thinks it has to suddenly veer left
Another where the road curves to the right on a crest and it does not see the curve until it starts curving, then its a hard steering input to catch up/.

Generally whenever I activate double click AP, it does a little correction to the left because I suspect I have a habit of driving a little to the right in the lane instead of bang on in the middle of the lane.

 

[paulp]

I do TACC routinely but watch out for the school zones. Some are recognised but Ive discovered a few are not
Autosteer beta is better than the my VW lane keeping technology, though there are 2 sections of road which i regularly drive on which it goes pear shape (which the VW can't cope with either):

One when the road widens on the left side and the AP thinks it has to suddenly veer left
Another where the road curves to the right on a crest and it does not see the curve until it starts curving, then its a hard steering input to catch up/.

Generally whenever I activate double click AP, it does a little correction to the left because I suspect I have a habit of driving a little to the right in the lane instead of bang on in the middle of the lane.

An observation: most city trained drivers stay in the right side of the lane or if its a one lane road almost on the dividing line, whilst most country trained drivers tend to do the left.
I presume the courier driver that hit the rear corner of a parked car yesterday outside my place was therefore country trained…if at all.

 

[Zoltrix77]

I do not share you enthusiasm

I am not enthused either, using TACC hasn't tried to kill me, but i does like the panic worse than my mother-in-law. PLEASE, even my transit van allows to use plain dumb cruise if I choose.

 

[Quickst]

whilst most country trained drivers tend to do the left.

Most country drivers tend to stay right because the shoulder on country roads tend to be poor and have more potholes. Additionally I think its a subconscious thing to stay right due to the Roos even though I don't think it makes a difference as the Roos just jump out

 

[ZeeDoktor]

@Zoltrix77 if your van has radar cruise control, it won't let you use cruise control without the radar. Gotta compare apples with apples.

 

[Zoltrix77]

@Zoltrix77 if your van has radar cruise control, it won't let you use cruise control without the radar. Gotta compare apples with apples.

Seriously it does. Ford Transit Custom, allows you to switch off the radar component. I know that seems hard to believe, but it does. To its credit, TA cruise does work correctly, unlike the Tesla. However, I still dislike TACC, because instead of disengaging cruise control when the car in front of you is dawdling, then checking for a safe way to pass them, you end of just dawdling along with them.

Here is a video of the function on another overseas Ford product:

 

[Quickst]

you end of just dawdling along with them.

TACC or in other cars "adaptive cruise control" just does that. No adaptive cruise control disengages when a car in front is a slow coach.

 

[Zoltrix77]

TACC or in other cars "adaptive cruise control" just does that. No adaptive cruise control disengages when a car in front is a slow coach.

I know, that's what I am saying. The fact I have to manually slow down with the brake pedal or disengage the system makes me do something about the situation of the car in front. Adaptive cruise, TACC or whatever just encourages paying no attention, its just even worse in the Tesla because you have to deal with the phantom braking as well as not realising how slow you are driving.

 

[cafz]

Adaptive cruise, TACC or whatever just encourages paying no attention,

I tend to feel it actually encourages chilling out a bit and not treating the road so much like a racetrack.

I can also see why manufacturers, and Telsa in particular, are not keen on putting a non-traffic-aware switch in. It is essentially saying "if you detect an obstacle, plow straight into it anyway", and of course the last thing they want is a bunch more headlines about Teslas driving themselves into things.