Todd Burch
14-Year Member
Definitely makes sense that TSLA is worth less now that we know that Q4 P&D was a huge blowout.
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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I agree. it's sad to see Warren using the same click-bait hyperbolic tactics on Rivian that teslaq employs. Aren't we better than that? It's unnecessary and diminishes the whole EV effort, where we need many successful companies, not just Tesla. Too bad.
Krugerrand
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Meh. Welcome to the real world Rawlinson and Lucid, where’s there’s no place to hide, manufacturing is hard, you need more than fancy talk and colorful PPPs, and people will be people; good or bad.
I’d be happy to see them go through exactly everything that Elon and Tesla did in the beginning and up to this point and if they’re able to navigate it all, make right and proper and sound decisions for the business and people as a whole, then I’ll happily be a cheerleader for them. Until that point, here’s an egg
for them to suck on. Yeah, I’m still working on being a kinder, gentler, forgiving soul, but so far today I’ve failed.Agreed. Most of it around infotainment and other peripheral functions. The core driving characteristics did not have any complaints at all from the few lengthy posts I read, which should be very encouraging to Lucid followers. Because that is a big deal which the big legacy auto is struggling with. 500 miles EPA is nothing to sneer at. Remember all the drive train issues Tesla had initially? I think Lucid has started on the right note.
If you compare against fraud Nikola or eyecandy Fisker, Lucid is a company that will be in the race. They need to get the price down though. $185K is just in stratosphere with a very small market.
Mid Bol and 20 MA is ~$1032. While I hope we end up green, we might test that support today, barring any other news/announcement.
Also, thanks to @Papafox for calling out the 1/21/22 options expiry analysis which is helping me understand why we didn't run to $1400 after blow out production/delivery.
Also, thanks to @Papafox for calling out the 1/21/22 options expiry analysis which is helping me understand why we didn't run to $1400 after blow out production/delivery.
Well not really, the predictibility of the user experience was superior on the odyssey to the tesla - which I can agree on more or less (my old P85+ needs reboots and stuff from time to time too).
But in the same post he mentions being addicted to the electric drive experience - so he's not prefering the Odyssey in this camp.
Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
A TSLA dividend of 1 cent per qtr is still over $40M/year. I would not favor this until Tesla is manufacturing 3 TWh/yr of bty cells. Until then, each $40M buys another 4680 bty line...
I think the only way to get the rent seeking, blood sucking, MM's off TSLA's back is a split.
That will cause some financial pain to them, which is THE ONLY thing they care about.
But even that will only be a short term result as the financial markets are such a rigged game they will just pile back on after a pause.
As things are today, there is just too big a pile of money to be made pushing the stock around.
That will cause some financial pain to them, which is THE ONLY thing they care about.
But even that will only be a short term result as the financial markets are such a rigged game they will just pile back on after a pause.
As things are today, there is just too big a pile of money to be made pushing the stock around.
Todd Burch
14-Year Member
I definitely understand this view. As a continuous holder of TSLA since the IPO, we investors have been put through the wringer and have suffered constant attacks, doubt, endured high risk situations, etc. We have been rewarded for our diligence, but I see it as unfair that other EV startups get a free pass just because Tesla succeeded. Rivian, Lucid, etc. all have a very tough road ahead of them. Elon literally slept on the factory floor for months during the Model 3. Tesla endured ridicule, lies from the media...the whole shebang.Meh. Welcome to the real world Rawlinson and Lucid, where’s there’s no place to hide, manufacturing is hard, you need more than fancy talk and colorful PPPs, and people will be people; good or bad.
I’d be happy to see them go through exactly everything that Elon and Tesla did in the beginning and up to this point and if they’re able to navigate it all, make right and proper and sound decisions for the business and people as a whole, then I’ll happily be a cheerleader for them. Until that point, here’s an egg
Not saying the other companies deserve the crap that we TSLA holders endured, but they should really have to prove themselves and not get a free pass.
Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
It's unreal how complicated the stock market is. Just when you start figuring out patterns (buy the rumour, sell the news, "3 day rule" or whatever) the stock market changes its behaviour 180 degrees and does the complete opposite than previously.
Not easy to leverage or trade options.
The only way to reliably win at gambling is to own the casino...
Todd Burch
14-Year Member
I'd love to trade options because that seems like that's where the SERIOUS money is...but I don't for this very reason. If the market were logical, I'd make a killing. But clearly the market moves in mysterious ways, often due to reasons out of anyone's control, and often completely contrary to common sense. This irritates me, so I avoid options trading. It makes me a HODLer which limits my gains, but I probably sleep a little bit better at night.
Blah, Blah, Blah. SP is lagging because nobody here has had a colonoscopy in days.
Would not mention the tunnel just yet. Some logistics need to be worked out.Regarding CES, I wonder if anyone has had the guts to tell "You Did It" Mary about the Tesla-infused Boring tunnel at the convention center?
Kudos and double brownie points, plus a gold star for anyone getting a picture of her in or beside a LVCC Tesla Personal People Transporter.
Oh look, it's a Tesla traffic jam in Las Vegas' Boring Company tunnel
Maybe if the cars ran on a more regular schedule? And were linked together, somehow?
mashable.com
Yeah, that counts! Nicely sussed! Note the intraday 1-minute low SP was actually ABOVE your buy!
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Now, for the group, put your hand up if you don't understand how @CaliBear1 picked the bottom so closely in advance. Although we don't know at the exact time this Limit Order was placed, the following data was available today by 09:50 ET: (when the SP plunged $10 in under 2 minutes, it was clear a bear raid was underway)
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N.B. note the position of the Mid-BB. At this point, there are still multiple possibilities for the tgt SP, but it an obvious and tempting tgt for the bears. With a with limit order, you either hit or miss out on the buy: Low risk if it hits IMO, and no foul if it misses. Heuristic added the mix: Bear raids seldom last longer than 3 sessions (they have to cover their shorts, and there's that nasty 2-day settlement rule and such).
Now this is not advice; this is not the beginning of advice; but this is perhaps the end of the beginning of advice.
Cheers!
a nice @CaliBear1 raid!
MartinAustin
Active Member
VW CEO discussing ID4 and other efforts in the USA.
(apparently GM is "really ramping up")
(apparently GM is "really ramping up")
A bunch of nitpickers... perhaps, because Lucid delivered just a bunch of cars so far. That is like saying "all Lucid owners are nitpickers".
I have nothing against Lucid and I wish them success. But with so much issues preventing the car from being a daily driver, look like Lucid will have a hard time converting preorders to actual orders. The car is "rushed" for the sake of stock price and Warren is right about that.
yes. no point in even discussing cash divs at this point. it’s silly.
the only possible one you’d see in the next 5 years is a special div, which is a one-time event, resulting from some extraordinary event —- not a regular recurring div. so it’s really not worth even discussing. if anything, the split talk is more relevant,
and even that seems irrelevant until we breakthrough to higher share price…which could be 2 week or 2 years away. (my jonas timetable impersonation)
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