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Can you pay off the debt if the stock continues declining? This sounds like an absolutely crazy play to me, isn’t this the worst time to be using margin in the last like 20-30 years? While we’re going through the most intense rate hike on record?

I fully expect the market to grind down to a new bottom in the first half of 2023
The worst time to be using margin in the past 20 or 30 years was one year ago.

Now probably qualifies as one of the better times. And if you can call the bottom, that would be the best time.
 
To fellow TSLA holders, here is the gift that Elon gave it to us. Enjoy burnt hair

Still holding on shares but not planning to buy more at this point.

I don't use margins so thank god on this one. But still this has been painful especially when seeing it decoupled with QQQ and the rest of them.

On a side note I've picked up extra shifts at work and cut back all the dine out.

Good luck to us all.

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Burnt hair? You mean burnt shares?
 
Do you have a source for that? Curious to see how much, etc.
AAPL is a public company that files with the sec. But here you go. About 110 billion in debt with less than 50 billion in cash on hand.
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Edit. I am wrong on this. Falling on my sword. Will delete shortly. H/t @doddiozil
 
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Partly emotional on my part.

Partly..it’s just gotta be done. I don’t want an unhinged, Qanon, highly political freak show as CEO of a company I’m invested in.

The board? They allowed the above to happen without lifting a finger. They just gotta go.

And I don’t care how good Tesla is doing now, the brand is getting poisoned because of the CEO. Under the current management TSLA and TESLA is going to be seriously damaged over the next 3 years.

Jmho.
Enough. Go to the Elon thread if you want to continue repeating yourself.
 
2021's December sales were all due to the 2012 CEO option executions and part of a 10b5-1 filed in September.
None of his sales this year have been under a 10b5-1 (nor arguably, planned).
The 10b5-1 is not public until the sales are made against it. Even then I believe the terms are not disclosed.

Yeah, agree it would be weird for him to be selling. That said, the volumes continue to be ridiculously high.
 
Carsonight agrees, cites CATL 90 GWh battery supply supporting TE
Successful investing has lot of parallels with religion
You must totally believe and you must have blind faith to go through extreme adversity

Those who lose faith do not have a chance.

Nobody’s perfect. You will always be wrong, but keep on working relentlessly toward your goal no matter what.
Lot of us became multimillionaires, holding Tesla, and next logical step would be to become billionaires or multibillionaires, but only for those who do not lose faith.

No guarantees and no investing advise.
I utterly disagree with this. Blind faith is probably the worst possible strategy.

Facts and logic and building rational models that can forecast the future will crush a faith-based strategy over the long run.
 
Trading is like going into a casino and blowing it all, hoping to win.

Investing is like going into a casino, placing a $5 bet just for a free $10 cocktail

Either way, you win.

Stock market trading isn't the same as stock market investing.

Be an investor, not a trader.

I have never met in my personal experiences anyone who could time the market.
So why try?

YMMV

Edit: Totally relaxed today, could be the wine and the awesome friends...
 
Trading is like going into a casino and blowing it all, hoping to win.

Investing is like going into a casino, placing a $5 bet just for a free $10 cocktail

Either way, you win.

Stock market trading isn't the same as stock market investing.

Be an investor, not a trader.

I have never met in my personal experiences anyone who could time the market.
So why try?

YMMV
free $10 cocktail - if you consider watered down house liquor $10 :) and by the time you get that 'free' $10 cocktail, if you are unlucky, you are $100 in (Seen many 'friends' do that many times)

:)
 
I utterly disagree with this. Blind faith is probably the worst possible strategy.

Facts and logic and building rational models that can forecast the future will crush a faith-based strategy over the long run.
works for me. i've been doing this for 24 years, since 1998 and have multiplied my money 147X.
even at the lowest low of my portfolio as of today,since 2002 so an annualized rate of return of approximately 28%.
back in November 2021 i was up 840X over 19 years which was ARR over 42%
i have blind faith that simple buy and hold in Tesla will match or exceed these personal historical returns
just my belief. nobody needs to agree with me, least of all consider this an investment advice
 
So those weekly China Tesla sales numbers released today were pretty 💩 .

Fear not though. Forgive me for repeating myself, but China is right in the middle of an absolute nightmare (for them) as the BIG-C is washing over the country.

This will pass in short order though, and as they get used to the “new normal”, normal economic activity will resume, with Tesla sales returning to normal also. The next big China focused delivery period (late Feb through March end) should be back to normal one would assume.
 
I thought we said that at 150... :D

It was true then, and it's true now.

They'll try to close today as close to $140 as they can without going under to give them the best starting point for tomorrow, and then in the morning they'll likely push us down into the $130's. And I don't see anything happening to stop them either. :confused:


Seven trading days left for the year, I wonder how low they'll drag us down before the New Year?
 
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So those weekly China Tesla sales numbers released today were pretty 💩 .

Fear not though. Forgive me for repeating myself, but China is right in the middle of an absolute nightmare (for them) as the BIG-C is washing over the country.

This will pass in short order though, and as they get used to the “new normal”, normal economic activity will resume, with Tesla sales returning to normal also. The next big China focused delivery period (late Feb through March end) should be back to normal one would assume.
We have massive confirmation bias on this board, so while you may be right, I feel duty bound to point out that BYD's sales numbers were up over 10% from the prior week. We can't just say "Covid" like that explains away everything. Admittedly, I don't know the whole story, but we all want the China demand worries to be wrong so very badly.