The way I understand “feature complete” is that AP will pay attention to all needed aspects of driving and that is about it. It will look for traffic signs/lights, line markings, other drivers but with undefined accuracy and likely will not act on many of them. Most features will be in passive mode and car will still require drivers attention and input.
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The way I understand “feature complete” is that AP will pay attention to all needed aspects of driving and that is about it. It will look for traffic signs/lights, line markings, other drivers but with undefined accuracy and likely will not act on many of them. Most features will be in passive mode and car will still require drivers attention and input.
Or to put it another way, a roller coaster can drive its track in Level 5 autonomy
The best thing Waymo has produced is superior PR. They've done a great job controlling the narratives about the autonomy space. But in the real world, their cars - even in their tightly geofenced environment, where they can only drive on specific roads, stop in specific locations, etc - are still dependent on "safety driver" interventions - and not just for safety. Sometimes they fail to make turns. On some turns, the drivers almost always have to intervene. The locals hate how the Waymo cars drive. Etc, etc, etc. Meanwhile, their compute and sensor suite is impractically expensive for real-world everyday vehicles, and they have two orders of magnitude less data than Tesla to find corner cases.
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EVNow
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Correction : CR claims to tell us about how often we need to take the car in for the shop. Ofcourse, with 3 - for many issues you may not need to take the car into the shop. It could be an OTA update.
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RobStark
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Most cars don't leave you on the side of road in the first year.
Jaguar is one of the exceptionally bad. Jaguar sells less than 200k cars per year in market of 90M to 100M/year depending on how you count it. No one forced you to buy one of the the least reliable ICEv. Why did you? Priorities I guess. You could have easily purchased a Lexus instead.
Despite all the carnage on the roads the population still manages to increase.
Again, the chances of any one person being in an accident where they die in a Lexus and live in Tesla is rather small. Not everyone makes safety ratings their number one priority. If so look to IIHS, NHSTA etc ratings.
CR has a safety component but the purpose of CR Auto Survey is to gauge short term reliability and long term durability.
BTW IF you can't grasp why every organization doesn't rate Tesla the best thing ever and why anyone would consider buying a car other than Tesla and call anyone who does corrupt,stupid,crazy etc you are never going to grasp the stock price movement of TSLA.
The first issue mentioned by CR was touchscreen freezes. While I'm sure there are extreme cases, many of these can be fixed by a simple reboot by the owner (not even an OTA update is needed).
What the Survey Found
Model 3 owners in our spring survey sample reported some body hardware and in-car electronics problems, such as the screen freezing, which we have seen with other Tesla models. Tesla Model 3 Loses CR Recommendation Over Reliability Issues
Model 3 owners in our spring survey sample reported some body hardware and in-car electronics problems, such as the screen freezing, which we have seen with other Tesla models. Tesla Model 3 Loses CR Recommendation Over Reliability Issues
Info, please. Let's hope we're not into GTAT redux.
shlokavica22
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Update on that one:
34.67 -13.51 (-28.04%)
Volume 119,232,220
Avg. Volume 6,624,557
And that's a stock with beta less than 1.
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Question though. If Level 3 FSD becomes ready, what happens to EAP? Is that package now redundant?
Even if Waymo stays ahead (or pulls ahead?) of Tesla with self driving tech, they still have to get that technology into cars somehow. That means retrofits or licensing that tech to auto makers. So even if Waymo has a 2 year lead that would probably still be a wash by the time their product can actually reach consumers.
By driving slow
The execs accused of inflating financial results were tossed more than a year ago and the settlement with the SEC was in May 2018.
Check jaguars JD dependability. It's as high as Honda's ever since TaTa took over. It has 50k miles on it right now with no additional problems. I pretty had issues with every new or used cars I've bought. My first car being the Toyota Celica bought new and it's trunk hydraulic failed after the first 3 months. Our Infiniti SUV had a transmission swap at 23k miles. My wife's aunt Lexus SUV left them stranded on the road under 30k miles. My wife's new beetle had cabin noises and electronic issues under 5k miles.
Guess what, my Tesla model 3 had to get some kind of brake attachment fixed because it was making grinding noises at 1k miles.
So no I don't find paint or panel issues to be a reliabilty metric. And I have yet to find some trouble free car.
This is CR's chart of Tesla Model 3 reliability. It is above average in every category except Body Hardware where it is average. How can it possibly be below average overall? I will be contacting them to ask.
DurandalAI
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I agree, the weighting on that is weird. Out of all the things that are important, I place transmissions, brakes, suspension, drive system, engine, etc, WAAAY above "Body Hardware." Seriously, it leads to concerns on what they were thinking?
Guys, I just pulled up next to the i-pace. I didnt like the pics I saw online, but damn, that thing is slick looking! Quite impressed and gave a thumbs up to the lady driving it to acknowledge another EV on the road.
Yes, it's a nice looking car, but quite small and impractical, plus complicated displays and switches. But if Tesla didn't exist and if I didn't have kids and if I didn't want to road trip in it, then I'd likely buy one.
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