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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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humbaba
sleeping until $7000
That is typical of market watch, particularly on busy trading days. When I checked a few minutes ago it was trailing volume by ~500k.
Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
Except cash is fungible; TSLA shares are not. Only Tesla can create new shares, which is at the core of the discussion.
Per the sage advice of @Right_Said_Fred Imma wait until we hear from somebody who actually knows this topic professionally.
They come, I'm sure of it. Prolly lurking here right now, just waiting for an excuse to post...
Cheers!
Andy O
Member
Regarding short sellers and the stock split, I perhaps shouldn't post this without reading 20 more pages first, and I'm not an expert on the matter, but this seems logical to me.
A person holding a short position in a stock will be obligated to deliver 4 shares to the lender of the shorted shares on August 31 for every share he has borrowed. He will, in theory only, buy those shares on the market, deliver them to the lender, immediately borrow them back again, then sell them on the market and recover the cost of his purchase. Result: no real change for him. The number of shares he has shorted will now appear to be 5 times greater but the price 5 times less. In fact, I expect the lender will just change the number of shares recorded on the books with no actual transactions taking place.
A person holding a short position in a stock will be obligated to deliver 4 shares to the lender of the shorted shares on August 31 for every share he has borrowed. He will, in theory only, buy those shares on the market, deliver them to the lender, immediately borrow them back again, then sell them on the market and recover the cost of his purchase. Result: no real change for him. The number of shares he has shorted will now appear to be 5 times greater but the price 5 times less. In fact, I expect the lender will just change the number of shares recorded on the books with no actual transactions taking place.
ZachF
Active Member
Since $1500 is the new Sparta, it makes sense that the SP is flirting back and forth with this level now
Mike Smith
Active Member
New research paper from Jeff Dahn on progress on anode-free lithium metal cells:
Diagnosing and correcting anode-free cell failure via electrolyte and morphological analysis | Nature Energy
'Abstract
Anode-free lithium metal cells store 60% more energy per volume than conventional lithium-ion cells. Such high energy density can increase the range of electric vehicles by approximately 280 km or even enable electrified urban aviation. However, these cells tend to experience rapid capacity loss and short cycle life. Furthermore, safety issues concerning metallic lithium often remain unaddressed in the literature. Recently, we demonstrated long-lifetime anode-free cells using a dual-salt carbonate electrolyte. Here we characterize the degradation of anode-free cells with this lean (2.6 g Ah−1) liquid electrolyte. We observe deterioration of the pristine lithium morphology using scanning electron microscopy and X-ray tomography, and diagnose the cause as electrolyte degradation and depletion using nuclear magnetic resonance spectroscopy and ultrasonic transmission mapping. For the safety characterization tests, we measure the cell temperature during nail penetration. Finally, we use the insights gained in this work to develop an optimized electrolyte, extending the lifetime of anode-free cells to 200 cycles.'
Tesla researchers show path to next-gen battery cell with breakthrough energy density - Electrek
Diagnosing and correcting anode-free cell failure via electrolyte and morphological analysis | Nature Energy
'Abstract
Anode-free lithium metal cells store 60% more energy per volume than conventional lithium-ion cells. Such high energy density can increase the range of electric vehicles by approximately 280 km or even enable electrified urban aviation. However, these cells tend to experience rapid capacity loss and short cycle life. Furthermore, safety issues concerning metallic lithium often remain unaddressed in the literature. Recently, we demonstrated long-lifetime anode-free cells using a dual-salt carbonate electrolyte. Here we characterize the degradation of anode-free cells with this lean (2.6 g Ah−1) liquid electrolyte. We observe deterioration of the pristine lithium morphology using scanning electron microscopy and X-ray tomography, and diagnose the cause as electrolyte degradation and depletion using nuclear magnetic resonance spectroscopy and ultrasonic transmission mapping. For the safety characterization tests, we measure the cell temperature during nail penetration. Finally, we use the insights gained in this work to develop an optimized electrolyte, extending the lifetime of anode-free cells to 200 cycles.'
Tesla researchers show path to next-gen battery cell with breakthrough energy density - Electrek
Definitely meeting continued resistance at that level. If we close just below the mid-BB I'm going to bet we gap up above it tomorrow based on past behavior around these levels. Pure speculation on my part; plenty of trading day left -- maybe we push through today.
EDIT: Aaaaaand it's gone. ;-)
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Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
You know John Cleese?! I'm impressed! Did you get an autograph? Asking for a friend.
Oh yeah, and FAAK DA SHORTZES.
Cheers!
Who's with me that on battery day...Elon's coming out and saying 518 miles on the new Plaid Model S
Didn't Elon say the battery pack will still be 100kwh?
Yeah me as well......again....for the 100th time saying I have enough....but ....I ....always....buy ...MORE!
Battery pack still at 100kwh but with new advances in battery...range has now increased to 518
(purely speculation on my part...just to screw with Lucid's claim of 517)Just tell yourself ...."Buy one get 4 free'...offer good until August 21st.
Pezpunk
Active Member
i just realized this stock split is going to be a major disaster for me -- the single share listed above will no longer have that cost basis! I am distraught and inconsolable.
bubb
Member
If anyone has access to this article could they provide some more nuance on the cycle life, i.e. relative to depth of discharge? TIA
Mike Smith
Active Member
Judge grants preliminary injunction requiring Uber and Lyft to stop classifying drivers as contractors
Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California if it's forced to classify drivers as employees
Hm, good time to start the non-autonomous Tesla Network as Ark has been suggesting? Plenty of Teslas in California..
Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down temporarily in California if it's forced to classify drivers as employees
Hm, good time to start the non-autonomous Tesla Network as Ark has been suggesting? Plenty of Teslas in California..
Todd Burch
14-Year Member
Somebody seems to not want us in the $1500s.
I'm ok with that line of thinking, for awhile. But only AFTER the stock split.
I'm ok with that line of thinking, for awhile. But only AFTER the stock split.
Johann Koeber
Happy Owner
German situation:
My bank (CortalConsors) ist not yet sure how the stock dividend will be treated.Let's see if they come back to me.
The Landesamt für Steuern (IRS) suggests, it has to be taxed as dividend income.
This would be a catastrophe because the loss in stock value cannot be used to offset the dividend gains.
Unless the taxpayer can prove, that it was a stock split. This has to be proven according to the foreign law.
In 2014 Google had a similar situation and only after months, if not years of fighting, the IRS finally gave in. But the banks had deducted the 25 % tax; in the end the taxpayers got their money back - after years of waiting. So good luck with that.
My 'solution':
Prior to the 21st I will sell all my TSLA and sell way OTM Sept Puts. I am looking at $ 3,000 strikes. Then I can just wait to be putted or change back to shares after 24th.
Unfortunately the appreciation of my shares will be taxed. The rebought shares will have a new tax basis.
My bank (CortalConsors) ist not yet sure how the stock dividend will be treated.Let's see if they come back to me.
The Landesamt für Steuern (IRS) suggests, it has to be taxed as dividend income.
This would be a catastrophe because the loss in stock value cannot be used to offset the dividend gains.
Unless the taxpayer can prove, that it was a stock split. This has to be proven according to the foreign law.
In 2014 Google had a similar situation and only after months, if not years of fighting, the IRS finally gave in. But the banks had deducted the 25 % tax; in the end the taxpayers got their money back - after years of waiting. So good luck with that.
My 'solution':
Prior to the 21st I will sell all my TSLA and sell way OTM Sept Puts. I am looking at $ 3,000 strikes. Then I can just wait to be putted or change back to shares after 24th.
Unfortunately the appreciation of my shares will be taxed. The rebought shares will have a new tax basis.
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