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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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this is a pretty creative way to misrepresent the fact that a stock is down 7% over that time period.
That is a reference to today only. It hit a high of about 829 about a half hour after open and drifted down from there.
Johan
Ex got M3 in the divorce, waiting for EU Model Y!
Except it doesn't misrepresent anything.
The truth is a tricky thing. Reminds me of something I heard; during the cold was the US and the Soviets held a race - the US car outran the Soviet car by several laps. In the newspaper in Russia the next day it said: "Yesterday an international and important car race was held. The Soviet car came in as the runner-up while the American car finished second to last". There's nothitng not true about that statement.
Yuri_G
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Note, if it can do 0-60 in under 1 second, It will only take about 46 feet to get to 60 mph...
Elon said on JRE that Plaid will hit 60 before crossing the intersection. Gonna be some wild videos when it starts hitting the streets.
The Elon interview w/ Joe Rogan is now on YouTube...
# of chips Tesla & Musk related businesses consume in a year cannot support a fab.
We are talking hypothetically, years down the track when the product ranges and volumes might be expanded, they might find a way of lowering fab capex, and may make chips for others.
Sure it is a long shot..
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Roadster with short hovering ability will be very useful, but I wish it would be an option for all the cars.
Seems like it would be very useful for the cybertruck too.
Ability to fly smoothly over speed bumps, pot holes, cattle guards.
Ability to do a 180 turn at the end of my driveway so I don't have to back out or do multi-point turn.
Parallel park instantly by moving sideways into a spot.
Seems like it would be very useful for the cybertruck too.
Ability to fly smoothly over speed bumps, pot holes, cattle guards.
Ability to do a 180 turn at the end of my driveway so I don't have to back out or do multi-point turn.
Parallel park instantly by moving sideways into a spot.
Mike Smith
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That is the explanation I was expecting. I'm not buying it.
1) When journalists make significant factual changes to an article they always make a note at the end explaining what was changed and why. I wonder what Edmunds' policy is on this?
2) This was as major a change to an article as you can make - he's claiming he actually did a whole new test of one of the vehicles, with a new methodology and new results, and didn't bother to mention it?
3) The change wasn't made quickly - it was made over two months after the original article was published. So after two months he suddenly realized the results which had been circulating all this time were unfair to Tesla, but didn't bother mentioning this and instead just did a retest and published the results by altering the old article with updated results and a new date at the top?
4) The changes he made as a result of the new tests were both round numbers - a change of 10 in one place in the article and 15 in another, as one might do if you weren't expecting anyone to be able to see the original, unaltered article.
5) The fact that the range increases don't match (10 and 15) is very strange. He says the range increased from 253 miles to 263 miles, but then says the differential from the Taycan decreased by 15 miles. That's a very strange mistake to make. How do you manage to calculate 263-253 = 15?? Either that or he calculated the new differential wrong: 70-10= 55?? Neither of those are plausible errors to make. An explanation one might surmise is that he first decided on 15 miles for the increase and updated both numbers, but then later decided (or perhaps was instructed by an outside agent) to change the increase to only 10 but forgot to change the differential number.
6) In the original article he claims the efficiency he calculated in the real world test was 28.4kWh/100 miles, and in the retest was also exactly 28.4kWh/100 miles. If he did a new test which added only 10 miles by adding 11% more battery life, shouldn't the kWh/100 miles be higher? I don't consider this as serious as the other points since he can claim he just forgot to update this, but I thought I'd throw it in anyway.
Edit: Fixed to say article was changed over 2 months later instead of 3.
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20,000 HP will do that. Getting to 2 second zero to sixty WITHOUT rockets or catapults or any external mechanism is pretty amazing.
Tes La Ferrari
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Sometimes; you just gotta take one for the team.
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StealthP3D
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Except @Chunky Jr. didn't say anything resembling your example of how "the truth is a tricky thing". He was merely recapping the days price action and noting that we broke a two day losing streak.
It's not misleading unless you're delusional.
Sorry for my misstatement. I should have described more accurately as CKD although that is not 100% correct either. FWIW the LG design team was itself mostly Michigan-based and several LG people were themselves former GM ones.
2daMoon
Mostly Harmless
About those chips ...
As I understand the story, the most significant reason some members of the auto industry are experiencing a production downturn over this shortage is because they didn't maintain their orders for chips back when they should have. Those who signed contracts specifying quantity over their designated time period are getting their chips, and maybe some Salsa too (queue the Mariachis). Regardless of which industry is using them.
It is not so much that the chip manufacturers are running out of production capacity or raw materials, it is that specific auto manufacturers acted in fear and were either scaling back or canceling existing orders and thus limiting their supply due to their perception of market uncertainty a year or so back.
Tesla, and some other OEMs who use the chips, didn't flinch. Those who planned for success are, well, successful.
Those who didn't are trying to pass the buck, casting shade upon the gaming industry, the chip makers, and anyone else other than themselves for causing a breakdown in their "Just In Time" manufacturing process which is based upon ordering ahead of time for delivery right when you need it. They modeled for failure. Is that a surprise to anyone? These OEMs didn't take into consideration how a chip maker has no more incentive to keep stock on the shelf than they do, and now we know there is a month or three lead time to get these orders fulfilled.
Is there any good reason for Tesla to consider getting into the business of making standardized chips if the problem wasn't on the chip manufacturing side of the equation in the first place?
As I understand the story, the most significant reason some members of the auto industry are experiencing a production downturn over this shortage is because they didn't maintain their orders for chips back when they should have. Those who signed contracts specifying quantity over their designated time period are getting their chips, and maybe some Salsa too (queue the Mariachis). Regardless of which industry is using them.
It is not so much that the chip manufacturers are running out of production capacity or raw materials, it is that specific auto manufacturers acted in fear and were either scaling back or canceling existing orders and thus limiting their supply due to their perception of market uncertainty a year or so back.
Tesla, and some other OEMs who use the chips, didn't flinch. Those who planned for success are, well, successful.
Those who didn't are trying to pass the buck, casting shade upon the gaming industry, the chip makers, and anyone else other than themselves for causing a breakdown in their "Just In Time" manufacturing process which is based upon ordering ahead of time for delivery right when you need it. They modeled for failure. Is that a surprise to anyone? These OEMs didn't take into consideration how a chip maker has no more incentive to keep stock on the shelf than they do, and now we know there is a month or three lead time to get these orders fulfilled.
Is there any good reason for Tesla to consider getting into the business of making standardized chips if the problem wasn't on the chip manufacturing side of the equation in the first place?
I used to defend Rogan a lot. I enjoyed listening to his shows and would listen to politicians I might not agree with just to learn and gain perspective. I found him to be deeply caring and deeply thoughtful. I believe he still tries to be these things.
The past few to six months I feel like he’s been going down a slippery slide towards a much less insane Alex Jones. It makes me nervous as he has a gigantic reach.
Hopefully once Dave Chapelle gets on there he’ll verbally slap him and get him back on the right course. lol
I’m about to hop into my 5year old’s bunk bed, answer some science questions for him as he falls asleep, and then listen to the podcast till I pass out.
Great days.
ByeByeJohnny
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If only D.B. Cooper had one. Or maybe he did.
Once Elon starts going to space Tesla will need a clear successor, and I Imagine Elon will relinquish CEO position before he is part of the first human crew to Mars (I can't imagine a scenario where he doesn't want to be on that first Mars bound crewed Starship).
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