Absolutely no surprise to see who disagreed with me. @spdpspa is probably one of those people who knows Vision only doesn’t work but can’t bring himself to admit it.
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Tesla Vision
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Sorry to disappoint you I’ve never had any problems with my car, so I don’t look for evidence to prove or disprove like you.
I don’t “look” for evidence. The evidence is clear, obvious and unavoidable.
I'm pleased that you are satisfied with your car - of course everyone has different standards and expectations.
The Vision based Park Assist on my car is shite, but I am far more unhappy about the lies and contempt Tesla have directed my way over the last 12 months.
I have frequented many car forums over the years and none come close to the breadth and depth of dissatisfaction expressed here.
Agreed.. but there is constructive criticism and then there is the moan moan moan
Usually enthusiasts Forums.... allot of people pass through here on finance deals and others just actually very happy to moan about their expensive toys imho.
Im keen on seeing more posts on this thread personally Tesla Alternative?
I'd probably be happy enough if we had FSD Beta in its current form as it operates in the States. It isn't full A-B self driving, but it looks like it's a lot more purposeful than it is over here. What we've got doesn't amount to any more than lane-keeping, really, and that's not particulary rare on cars around this price bracket anymore. Our AP doesn't turn corners, doesn't take junctions, doesn't choose lanes on roundabouts, etc.
The reality as ought to be obvious is that camera tech will get better and better, and they will get moved around and/or more of them will be added to resolve visibility issues. In time they may even end up being self-cleaning, self-defogging, etc. Whether or not that's Tesla doing that or whether they get left behind by another manufacturer is another question though...
It also tells a lot about the people who frequent this forum and not just only the car. It is a combination like many things in life.
As I mentioned thrice before (crystal clear only three times not like moaners their every post ends with wipers/AP/AH or Elon - so any active member means around 1000 times they’ve already expressed dissatisfaction - imagine people who crossed the 5000 posts and well known members) I have spent £130 in total (as service and other costs related to Tesla) in these 3 years and around 22000 miles. I have done Scotland twice, the lakes, Cornwall three times, n number of times to Kent and SE and once to Europe all the way up to Turin and Milan via Mont blanc. Never had any problems other than the DC charge not possible message but still the car charged and the gasket was changed under warranty. I spent around 2hrs waiting when they did the job.
I will give my arm and leg to get the same experience when I return my current M3 and there is only one car I can even think of! The only downside of having a Tesla is we have to deal not only with EV haters but also Elon haters
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You summed it up wellbut there is constructive criticism and then there is the moan moan moan
Jason71
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I think the problem with Tesla's is ( that's a bold start)
They do some really innovative stuff really really well. I am not going to try to list all but generally people would agree
EV drivetrain
acceleration
BMS/charging
the app
OTA updates
etc etc
but they do some basic things badly, often things that have worked perfectly well on other cars for 10+ years
headlights
wipers
parking sensors ( which have actually gone backwards)
This means that people love the cars for all the great stuff they do and the great ecosystem, app, superchargers etc but then get really frustrated with the things that don't work that they see can working on a 2012 Fiesta
And I am not even going to get into autopilot and FSD
a love/hate relationship you might say can't live with it or without it. So they come here to vent their frustrations.
Agreed.. but there is constructive criticism and then there is the moan moan moan
Usually enthusiasts Forums.... allot of people pass through here on finance deals and others just actually very happy to moan about their expensive toys imho.
Im keen on seeing more posts on this thread personally Tesla Alternative?
I've spent time on both enthusiast forums and those for rather more mundane transport....I stand by my comment above, I've seen nothing like the levels of dissatisfaction expressed here elsewhere.
I've had (and retain) a number of 'expensive toys'...never in my experience has another manufacturer lied, and gone back on promises the way Tesla have.
If that suits you, fine. I know now, how you see things. Apologies I tried to have some rational conversations before this.
Here we go again. Anyone who has the temerity to criticise Tesla or Musk is a moaner and a hater.It also tells a lot about the people who frequent this forum and not just only the car. It is a combination like many things in life.
As I mentioned thrice before (crystal clear only three times not like moaners their every post ends with wipers/AP/AH or Elon - so any active member means around 1000 times they’ve already expressed dissatisfaction - imagine people who crossed the 5000 posts and well known members) I have spent £130 in total (as service and other costs related to Tesla) in these 3 years and around 22000 miles. I have done Scotland twice, the lakes, Cornwall three times, n number of times to Kent and SE and once to Europe all the way up to Turin and Milan via Mont blanc. Never had any problems other than the DC charge not possible message but still the car charged and the gasket was changed under warranty. I spent around 2hrs waiting when they did the job.
I will give my arm and leg to get the same experience when I return my current M3 and there is only one car I can even think of! The only downside of having a Tesla is we have to deal not only with EV haters but also Elon haters
So what is someone who praises Musk or Tesla? A sycophantic fanboy?
Don’t bother replying.
You forgot constructively—— that is what you guys think you are doing? Right? Wink Wink! Sorry won’t be replying again to you.
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Im not going to keep on about my experiences with toyota... PX'd that car in (massive loss) and all I can say warranties is like insurance, you never know if you have it until you make a claim. YMMV
Im not disputing your experiences, just passing on mine but then again ive only been as a member of that many tbh and most had a cult following sort of thing going on tbh. Had BMW's (never joined) renaults (never Joined) Mercedes (never joined) VW (joined the specific model OC), Honda bikes and cars (never joined), Triumph (never joined), Suzuki (never Joined), Ducati (joined specific model OC) etc.... if you get my drift. To be fair I dont get attached to particular brands, just whatever is best for me at the time.
So what was the point in asking?... To many people moaning about Musk. Personally I couldn't care less but happy he seems to be doing OK. At the end of the day I purchase what I think is best for me regardless. My next car may not be a Tesla either but whatever it is it will always be a compromise for what I want. Its the balance between pros and cons which is not the same for everybody.
I am not so sure about their intentions to be honest! Some of the facebook forums are part of larger lobbying groups with a view to sway people’s opinions and decisions. And of course you can include some of the TV networks both far and against certain interests. And I have seen vested interest groups favouring ICE cars over EVs in Europe and they are largely funded by legacy car makers - indirectly. And going by how much they lose money in making EVs the legacy automakers has to stop Tesla steamrolling them. I am not saying TMC is part of it but swaying opinions can be easily done thro’ interest forums. It is one of many ways to deal with your competitors and this has been well documented in the past and Apple does it very well over the years.