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Tesla Working on Driver Monitoring System

Discussion in 'Autopilot & Autonomous/FSD' started by DDotJ, Oct 3, 2020.

  1. Eno Deb

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    #21 Eno Deb, Oct 5, 2020
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    I have one of those little sliding covers over my camera. The problems start if they decide to force you to allow the camera to record in order to be able to use the driver assistance features you paid for ...

    Regarding privacy, I have very little confidence in Tesla. They still don't offer a way on their web site for California residents to exercise their rights according to the CCPA. In their privacy policy they basically claim the right to collect whatever telemetry data they want. In the past they have also pulled telemetry off cars that got into accidents and published the data without the owner's permission, using it against the owner (e.g. in case of some Autopilot accidents).
     
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  2. Ron97062

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    The article should mention this "Cabin Camera" is only on the Model 3 and Model Y. They are not present on the Model S and Model X.
     
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  4. Daniel in SD

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    And I said if I was sitting in the passenger seat staring at the driver I could do the job well. The neural net doesn't have to be as good as me to be good enough.
     
  5. AdamVIP

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    Well you have a bit more motion in your viewing angle. I've never seen any images from the interior camera to know for sure how much it can see of the driver but it certainly cant move so if its a bad angle there's not much they will be able to do about it.
     
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    This pic gives us a good idea of how much of the driver it can see. It seems to be at a good angle to be used for driver monitoring.

    [​IMG]
     
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  7. CyberGus

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    A video-based "Driver Monitoring System" has been used for over a decade on dozens of models across multiple manufacturers:

    Driver Monitoring System - Wikipedia

    It seems like a prudent safety feature for autonomous driving.
     
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  8. mspisars

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    It is an oxymoron for real autonomous driving!

    Edit: either Tesla is hedging - re EU testing, etc.
    or, we are going to be sorely disappointed with the "quantum leap".
    I am still betting on hedging.
     
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  9. Knightshade

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    Notice the picture at your link?

    Specifically where the camera is and what type?

    It's nothing at all like the much inferior for the job one Tesla has in it (since Tesla never designed or intended it to be used for that purpose)
     
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  10. drift

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    Monitoring the driver has nothing to do with autonomous driving. There is no driver in an autonomous car.
     
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  11. CyberGus

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    There are 5 levels of autonomy, and 4 of them require some level of driver intervention. As yet, there is no Level 5 autonomous vehicle.
     
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  13. Daniel in SD

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    Technically the SAE document does not use the term autonomous. They define 5 levels of driving automation. Level 4-5 do not require a human in the vehicle at all...
     
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  14. dahaz22

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    Tesla can go F off with more nanny software.

    The tape aint coming off.
     
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  15. john5520

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    #35 john5520, Oct 6, 2020
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    Yes, same here. Another great addition I'm looking forward to if it indeed comes to fruition.


    Totally agree, and it was one of those missing features I wish it had. Looks like we might get it after all.
     
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  16. CyberGus

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    I'm not trying to troll here (I know, that's what a troll would say, lol) but I seriously want to know from those of you that object to the in-car camera:

    The Tesla is documenting your movements with GPS, saving "black-box" data about the controls, and video recording 360 degrees everywhere you go (including your house). There are already cameras nearly everywhere, including on all the Teslas driving around you. But the cabin camera inside your own car is where you draw the line?

    I understand the desire for privacy, but in the digital age, privacy in public is virtually non-existent. Why object to a camera under your control, that Tesla has said will not violate your privacy?
     
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  17. doug

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    I'm fine with the cabin camera, but would like access to all that data. I not only want access to the video feed (which should be included with Sentry and Tesla Cam recordings), but should have access to the labels the AI is placing on me and want to know what is being done with that data. If my insurance is going to go up because I was fumbling with my phone at a red light, I should know about it.

    I think cabin audio should be recorded as well, but I should be able to toggle off both cabin audio and camera as easily as I can in a video conference call.
     
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  18. wk057

    wk057 Senior Tinkerer

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    Agree with all of the points above.

    Unfortunately I think we're the minority on these issues. Most people will just let the data be collected without a care in the world. I don't feel like there will be enough noise made by the right people on this to prompt Tesla to take action to be transparent on it, so any transparency beyond (hopefully) an opt-in/opt-out setting is likely to be pretty far behind any actual usage of the interior cam.

    It does seem like it'd be trivial to add it to the feed for Sentry/TeslaCam, though... so hopefully they do that at least.
     
  19. WECinNC

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    I totally agree with you. I too don’t trust FSD to the point I would become complacent but being able to relax my grip to the point to nag me less.
     
  20. dahaz22

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    lol @ mask inside the car - alone.
     
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