The difference is, humans, can turn their necks and body to visualize oncoming traffic for left turns. Do the cameras in our cars do that? Why do you think they are putting more cameras and in particular on each side of the bumper?
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There will be NO HW4 upgrade for HW3 owners
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AlanSubie4Life
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It’s a historic storm, to be fair.
But anyway it is not really going to “work” anywhere, so it is kind of something we don’t have to worry about. Thankfully!
They’re disabling it because there is no point in allowing the testers for the L4 beta candidate to test in that ODD right now. No point in taking the risk, if you have so much to master in the easier ODDs!
True. But the historic storm hasn't reached where you and I live yet (San Diego).
I, like many others, have been all indignant about paying for a feature in 2018 (I paid for FSD separately from EAP) with no delivery as of yet but plentiful broken promises. I have also been insistent since after end of 2019 that I would never buy FSD with a new Tesla again, and that opinion has only been validated by the ridiculous price increases, the addition of the subscription model, and now the lack of HW3->HW4 upgrade path. I would be shocked to hear that any rational person having done just the slightest due diligence is buying FSD with their new Tesla at this point.
All that said, while I love my June 2018 Tesla M3, I am beginning to contemplate what my next vehicle may be. For various reasons I have developed the need for a larger (and higher) car with a more cargo room, but I have no desire for a truck or giant SUV as my primary vehicle. A 2024 MY is a distinct possibility, despite feeling somewhat burned by Tesla on the whole FSD debacle. But if it comes to pass that continued autonomous vehicle development, with a goal of, say, true L3 on highways, will only continue on the HW4 platform, I would probably take advantage of a program to upgrade my HW3 vehicle to a new HW4 vehicle if Tesla would let my FSD purchase carryover to the new vehicle.
All that said, while I love my June 2018 Tesla M3, I am beginning to contemplate what my next vehicle may be. For various reasons I have developed the need for a larger (and higher) car with a more cargo room, but I have no desire for a truck or giant SUV as my primary vehicle. A 2024 MY is a distinct possibility, despite feeling somewhat burned by Tesla on the whole FSD debacle. But if it comes to pass that continued autonomous vehicle development, with a goal of, say, true L3 on highways, will only continue on the HW4 platform, I would probably take advantage of a program to upgrade my HW3 vehicle to a new HW4 vehicle if Tesla would let my FSD purchase carryover to the new vehicle.
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IronCoffee_Max
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Looks like HW4 does neither have more cameras or cameras on either side of the bumper.
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Daniel in SD
(supervised)
The computer has the connections for them (11 labeled, 1 spare). I'm sure the Robotaxi model will use more cameras.
Have they ever let any customer transfer FSD to a new vehicle? Never that I’ve heard about. Subscription FSD seems the only sensible way to proceed until Tesla fully proves something well beyond L2? Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me…
stopcrazypp
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The photos of the Cyber truck also showed a front parking camera too (which probably also would be very useful for offroad usage). That might be the first car to have extra cameras (if the leaked Model S/X are officially HW4 and not HW3.5 or a interim version of HW4).
stopcrazypp
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They haven't, even though a lot of people requested it (I believe there is a petition somewhere). If a lawsuit happens, perhaps some people would be persuaded if Tesla offers such an option.
Daniel in SD
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My prediction is "project highland" will be the first to have the new bumper cameras.
There are already quite a few, we’ll see.
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There's Semi hardware and software to view the additional cameras such as the 3 cameras on each side view mirror:
It's not as clear if the software currently shows the front bumper camera or the interior camera:
But the software does seem to show the rearward and downward cameras from the mirrors at all times and optionally the rear view camera. Assuming the triple forward cameras are in use, that's 12 cameras (3 front + 3 mirrors x2 + front bumper + interior + reverse) that are presumably connected to HW4 computer which has enough ports (including Spare) to accept these inputs.
Hard to break it to everybody, but sometimes Elon is wrong in his projections on what his future cars will be able to do. His lofty goals are often unmet.
dachshund
Member
Do we know how many HW3 vehicles are out there now? We're still on HW3 and this year the MY may overtake the Toyota Corolla as the biggest selling vehicle. If the number is large then there might be an incentive for Elon to figure out an upgrade - maybe to HW5 for example.
How many times has Elon said that X would never happen, and then it did? We know the other condition, stating that something will happen and it never does.
How many times has Elon said that X would never happen, and then it did? We know the other condition, stating that something will happen and it never does.
stopcrazypp
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I downloaded the full transcript (Youtube autogenerated subtitles) and they never use the term "Autosteer on City Streets" from a text search. Do you have a specific timestamp where they did?
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