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Timeline Musings

Discussion in 'Model S' started by AnOutsider, Jan 4, 2012.

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  1. jcstp

    jcstp Active Member

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    I think an elegant solution could be a voucher for TESLA accessories?
    Sharing your view with Tesla can't hurt I think!

    Ranting about what WhiteKnight thinks will not solve your "problem"!

    I understand why you are not happy, and I understand why TESLA is reluctant for the choice of wheels!
     
  2. ckessel

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    #22 ckessel, Jan 5, 2012
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    I did share my thoughts with Tesla. I don't think a voucher or any other item is necessary. Tesla made their choice and it's their's to make.

    Let's simply see it for what it is, Tesla trying to keep more cash, and just accept that fact. If someone comes up with a more logically coherent rationalization, then I'll be happy to accept that as the better explanation. What I'm not accepting are spin-positive rationalizations that are easily disproved.
     
  3. DrComputer

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    When I bought my "launch edition" Lexus LS600hL I too had to pay a premium for being part of the first 100 cars. Along with a unique exterior color and interior leather (which Tesla is offering), Lexus also included a set of Neiman Marcus leather luggage and a nice jacket. I've suggested something similar to the LA Tesla store and they said that was a good idea at that they'd pass it along to corporate.
     
  4. ckessel

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    Yea, getting back to Timeline Musings. Whatever Tesla does that's extra for Sig holders, it would make sense to have it be as unrelated to the production line as possible. They really don't want to have lots of highly specialized production line work for something made only 1000 times (well, more counting non-US, but still a small run). Benefits like you mentioned (clothes, luggage, etc) would have value, but not affect the assembly line which in turn means it's not as likely to affect the overall delivery schedule.
     
  5. Norbert

    Norbert TSLA will win

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    Maybe pano roof and rear facing seats are different since they would (initially) slow down production if every car got them. Or so.
     
  6. AnOutsider

    AnOutsider S532 # XS27

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    No, that it makes sense that most Sigs are similarly equipped, that way they know off-hand that there are a certain set of things they HAVE to produce, no matter what people end up choosing as options. The rest of it, I'm honestly not going to "debate", because I think you've already made up your mind -- which is fine, but I disagree and would rather not spoil my positive outlook by trying to defend my happiness with a situation.

    No sir, that's seeing it how YOU choose to see it, and trying to force everyone to see it the same. I don't expect to change your mind, but please don't try to make up mine for me. You have not disproved anything, you've just offered your own, more cynical view, which, without facts from someone at Tesla is just as "likely" as anyone's more positive musings.

    Back on topic...

    Agreed. Spend some quality time with the cars, lock in options, have fun. I'm just not sure if I feel like making the trip again to be honest. Not a fan of California, long flight(s) notwithstanding.
     
  7. ckessel

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    #27 ckessel, Jan 5, 2012
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    I'm working with what's known or demonstrable. Tesla is keeping the monetary difference on downgrades. That is a simple fact. As of yet, there is no argument that coherently supports keeping the money for production line reasons, as was easily demonstrated in comparison with Tesla's handling of the panoramic roof and rear seats.

    So, we are left with the fact that Tesla is keeping the money and Occam's razor indicates the simplest explanation is the most likely. I offer that the simplest explanation is that they simply want to keep the money. Can you offer a simpler explanation?

    You can be as happy as you like about it and I applaud that, but it's not really relevant. Tesla's action has some reason. Our happiness with it isn't relevant to the reasons the decision was made.
     
  8. brianman

    brianman Burrito Founder

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    I wish this forum had a downgrading mechanism so I good spend football commercial time graying out the off topic rant posts.
     
  9. AnOutsider

    AnOutsider S532 # XS27

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    Agreed, and I'm sorry for engaging (especially when I campaigned for the opposite in the Model S saving the world thread).

    In any case, when someone brought up May for test drives, I thought that would be too late to begin deliveries, but then I realized, not for the average buyer. The sigs will roll off the line (behind any sig specials and VIP editions), and then, by the time the average person who needs to test drive one or see more in person to make a decision, gets one, it would likely be late August, early September or later, so that's plenty of time for them to view in May and still lock in their orders. The sigs and such are locked in to some fairly rigid options, so it doesn't make that much of a difference.
     
  10. Trnsl8r

    Trnsl8r S85 2012-2018, X90 since 2016, 3 since 2018

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    I asked a store rep in Santana Row the other day about when we may see units for test driving and such, and he was a bit evasive. He said that there would be test units coming eventually, but their top priority would be to get the first reservations holders' cars delivered, seeing as they have been waiting 2+ years for them...
     
  11. ckessel

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    #31 ckessel, Jan 5, 2012
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    *shrug*, I tried quite diligently to make my points somewhat dispassionately versus a rant. WhiteKnight made the assertion about option/cost rationale, it seems unfair to criticize others for debating something he raised.

    If it makes you feel better, the forum does have the ability to ignore users. If you go to your profile's ignore list you can add my name. You can also choose to view any specific ignored post as they are listed, but not shown, if you want to take that risk.
     
  12. Arnold Panz

    Arnold Panz Model Sig 304, VIN 542

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    I'm a bit confused about something -- was there some announcement or indication that Sigs could not get the 19" wheels if they chose? Also, don't Sigs have their choice of 4 colors (black, white, grey and red)?

    I totally understand Tesla's desire to have as few changes as possible on the assembly line, and respect their decision to make rear seats and pano roof as the two options available during the Signature run. But AFAIK, they're not forcing everyone to get Sig red, and they haven't said that Sig holders must take the 21" tires. It wouldn't make sense for them to allow 19" tires and a lower price point -- the whole point of the Sigs (and this was clear from day one) was that it would be a "fully loaded" car with very few options, and if 21" tires are an upgrade/option, then that fits the bill. But I would think they'd allow people to take 19" tires for the same price during the Sig run. Do we know otherwise?
     
  13. WhiteKnight

    WhiteKnight _____ P85 #549 _____ Sig Red / Sig White

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    Yes.

    That was the only point I was trying to make was that test drive cars don't have to be out there in circulation in March so we (the non-Sigs) can all pick our options 3 months before July delivery. The first batch of 1,000+ cars will all be Signatures which will be very homogenous and the vast majority of people will want all the options.

    According to Tesla's website Signature deliveries will begin "mid-2012" (July 1st) and non-Signature deliveries will begin "Fall 2012" (September 22). So for 84 days they will just be delivering the Signatures. So really non-Signature reservation holders will not have to lock in their options before June (3 months in advance). And this jives nicely with the timeline that was outlined by the other poster.
     
  14. EVNow

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    Exactly. I'd guess the ramp up will be slow and chances of slipping the July target quite high. Let us also remember Tesla is building their first car here - and seasoned OEMs had very slow ramp-ups and delays.
     
  15. Robert.Boston

    Robert.Boston Model S VIN P01536

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    If I were a Sig customer, I'd definitely want to test drive before finally committing:
    1. Do I want the vehicle at all?
    2. Is the Performance upgrade worth the price to me?
    3. How does the pano roof change the experience?
    While they may have fewer decisions than the Production customers, they still have some big-money questions to answer, and so test drives will certainly be important.
     
  16. Norbert

    Norbert TSLA will win

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    "mid-2012" isn't July 1st. Elon elsewhere said "no later than July", which in Silicon Valley means no later than July 31st, with August being very late July ;). But I think it will be July unless something big and unexpected happens.

    They also said they will ramp up production only slowly.
     
  17. WhiteKnight

    WhiteKnight _____ P85 #549 _____ Sig Red / Sig White

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    They only have to deliver one car by July 1st in order to be able to say on their Q2 earnings conference call "deliveries have begun."
     
  18. Lyon

    Lyon 2016 S P100DL, 2016 X P90D

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    Absolutely. I have no intention of buying this car without driving it first. If it's as good as I think it is then it shouldn't be a problem but I'm going to have to make a special trip somewhere that there are production model cars to drive before I finalize.
     
  19. Norbert

    Norbert TSLA will win

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    With Q2 results being given Aug 4th last year, it seems July 31st would be soon enough even for that. But delivery of Model S will be such a big event that I don't think that would be very important. However, my point is that if they deliver July 20th, then they are still early, so I hope that the whole forum won't go into a frenzy on July 2nd.
     
  20. Trnsl8r

    Trnsl8r S85 2012-2018, X90 since 2016, 3 since 2018

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    I expect it to be in a complete frenzy from about June 29 - July 31 and then some...
     

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