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64190. I should be on the spreadsheet...taking delivery in Fremont.

Ah ok, sorry I must've missed it. Anyway it seems that the VIN assuming doesn't really indicate production date. What I suspect Tesla is doing is manufacturing according to ultimate delivery schedules. If they want to deliver as many P85D's as possible in December, they should start with the ones that are going to be delivered the furthest from Fremont. Makes sense I guess.


I wanted to do this, but the concept of paying California's sales tax really killed that.

I read somewhere on this forum that you don't get charged CA tax if you register the car out of state, but you have to leave California "immediately after delivery using the fastest route out of the state" or something to that effect.
 
I read somewhere on this forum that you don't get charged CA tax if you register the car out of state, but you have to leave California "immediately after delivery using the fastest route out of the state" or something to that effect.
Nope, I researched this heavily before I took delivery (and have a post somewhere in the archive). If you take physical possession of the car in CA, you pay sales tax. There's no tricking the system on the concept of "possession". It's when you sit in the car and drive it away.

The California Board of Equalization spells it out quite clearly in a few their docs, making sure the loop holes about possession are all heavily clarified.
 
Just heard from my DS (or rather, my "Customer Experience Specialist"). In his words:

At this point your Model S is estimated to go into production into early December. We hope to hand the keys over to you as early as the 18th of December. Being conservative it can be the week of December 22nd.

I put December 22 in the spreadsheet but hopefully it'll be the previous week instead. Either way, it'll be a nice Christmas present!
 
Mine apparently will have an EOL of November 24 - not sure if that is what NOLA_mike meant. The car is expected to be in the Vancouver Service Center by 12/8. I will probably do a walkthrough in Vancouver on the 9th and it will be shipped to calgary around the 10th-11th.
 
I read somewhere on this forum that you don't get charged CA tax if you register the car out of state, but you have to leave California "immediately after delivery using the fastest route out of the state" or something to that effect.

Not California. Sales tax is immediately due for in-state and out-of-state buyers. Many states will issue a 7/10-day "drive away' temporary registration and won't collect sales tax to out of state buyers. The buyer then pays tax in their home state. Not so in good-ole Cali.

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Just heard from my DS (or rather, my "Customer Experience Specialist"). In his words:



I put December 22 in the spreadsheet but hopefully it'll be the previous week instead. Either way, it'll be a nice Christmas present!

You're located in the bay area? I would think delivery would be much faster.
 
You may be right. I was told that because the basic tech stuff can be updated over the internet the model year was not as important to tesla as it is with all other cars. I was told by my rep when ever you take delivery is the year of the car. May be true, may be not. According to my rep it isn't important any way.
 
You're located in the bay area? I would think delivery would be much faster.

Actually my hunch is it's just the opposite -- they are trying to handle the out-of-state (and out-of-country) orders first so they can maximize their 2014 deliveries. No real evidence other than the fact that the Canadians on the spreadsheet seemed to be told their delivery dates a lot sooner than the US customers. For us local people, if the car comes off the assembly line the week of December 22, we'll still take delivery this year since there's no transit time.
 
You may be right. I was told that because the basic tech stuff can be updated over the internet the model year was not as important to tesla as it is with all other cars. I was told by my rep when ever you take delivery is the year of the car. May be true, may be not. According to my rep it isn't important any way.

The model year is encoded into the VIN, so the time you take delivery is irrelevant. I don't know what the criteria is for how they assign the cutoff for 2015 VIN's.

Honestly though, I don't think it really matters, what will determine depreciation is mileage, features, condition, and months remaining on warranty. A 1/2015 build will have a few more weeks of warranty than a 12/2014, but that's the only reason it will have a slightly higher value.

In the case of a S85, there may be some benefit to clear up 'does it have autopilot or not', but for P85D, the year really should not matter.
 
Actually my hunch is it's just the opposite -- they are trying to handle the out-of-state (and out-of-country) orders first so they can maximize their 2014 deliveries. No real evidence other than the fact that the Canadians on the spreadsheet seemed to be told their delivery dates a lot sooner than the US customers. For us local people, if the car comes off the assembly line the week of December 22, we'll still take delivery this year since there's no transit time.

Agree - except that koreth said his EOL was "early December". My comment was focused on the time delay from production complete to delivery considering there is no transport involved.

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I was wasting some time and started looking at new license plate combinations. I'm really not planning to change; GET AMPD works. But this option had me laughing:

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Can you imagine the tickets?
 
Nope, I researched this heavily before I took delivery (and have a post somewhere in the archive). If you take physical possession of the car in CA, you pay sales tax. There's no tricking the system on the concept of "possession". It's when you sit in the car and drive it away.

The California Board of Equalization spells it out quite clearly in a few their docs, making sure the loop holes about possession are all heavily clarified.

I reinforce ckessel's comment - I too researched it quite a bit. There's a point where it's clear that unless you pickup and drive without stopping out of the state, you've taken possession. So the bathroom break could be considered making use of California's amenities, and subject you to sales tax. In practice, you pay it. Period.

Got my dander up enough to send the folks that collect California's taxes a suggestion that they're killing an excellent tourism industry. Let's see - draw families to California with enough income to think that buying a $100k car AND picking it up in California to drive home is a reasonable thing to do. Think those families might stop by a theme park in SoCal, or see the sign in Hollywood, or do other touristy things while they're in the neighborhood? It's a start to a beautiful and classic American vacation, and it starts in California. CA could be getting an outsized chunk of the tourist dollars spent by those people, and instead they get nothing.


I'd like to pick up Model X in Fremont and drive it back to Oregon. Without a simple change - I suggested they implement a manufacturer issued 30 day temp tag (so only California manufacturers of vehicles can issue the temp tags - not dealerships, as part of picking up the vehicle at the factory). CA gets $50 or something worth of short term temp tag plus tourist dollars as people look around before driving home. Then the rest of the system stays in place just the way it is.

Ah well.
 
I reinforce ckessel's comment - I too researched it quite a bit. There's a point where it's clear that unless you pickup and drive without stopping out of the state, you've taken possession. So the bathroom break could be considered making use of California's amenities, and subject you to sales tax. In practice, you pay it. Period.

Got my dander up enough to send the folks that collect California's taxes a suggestion that they're killing an excellent tourism industry. Let's see - draw families to California with enough income to think that buying a $100k car AND picking it up in California to drive home is a reasonable thing to do. Think those families might stop by a theme park in SoCal, or see the sign in Hollywood, or do other touristy things while they're in the neighborhood? It's a start to a beautiful and classic American vacation, and it starts in California. CA could be getting an outsized chunk of the tourist dollars spent by those people, and instead they get nothing.


I'd like to pick up Model X in Fremont and drive it back to Oregon. Without a simple change - I suggested they implement a manufacturer issued 30 day temp tag (so only California manufacturers of vehicles can issue the temp tags - not dealerships, as part of picking up the vehicle at the factory). CA gets $50 or something worth of short term temp tag plus tourist dollars as people look around before driving home. Then the rest of the system stays in place just the way it is.

Ah well.

If CA changed their rules and allowed out of state buyers to pick up cars in CA without the tax consequences, there is a VERY good chance I would do exactly what you suggest for the model X delivery. Bring the family, make a vacation out of it starting in California (kids have never been to Disneyland), and drive cross-country back home.
 
ah, another Tesla and McLaren owner in FL... I have a Volcano Orange MP4-12C....


Higgs,

A buddy and I ordered the 12C the day Tampa got their franchise. My buddy was stolen by The Collection a month later when they got their McLaren franchise but he did not tell me. To make a long story short, Tampa "lost" my order so when it came time to deliver, my buddy got his while McLaren was unable to make things right with me.

I realize now that I got lucky. My buddy Lemmon Law'd his car because of all the initial issues with the car so I dodged that bullet. I'm now driving the exact same car I would have ordered (Silver/Black but I probably would not have ordered the carbon brakes) with 4500 miles on it for $100K less than I would have paid. I'll call that dodging bullet number two.
 
Not quite. Early January delivery is likely a last week in 2014 build. There could still be a few slots left.

Doesn't the factory shut down for line maintenance the last week of each quarter still? If so, the last week to build would be the week of Christmas, which would be a delivery right before the end of the year.

If it goes as it has the last two years, there will then be a pause in deliveries for the first week of January (since no cars were built the last week of the year), the line starts up again after the New Year, and a week or two later you start seeing cars delivered again. I know this from just missing the end of the year push in 2012 by 2 VINs!