UK FSD Discussion

[MrBadger]

I have FSD including lane change, summon etc. It's a full spec car. Just wish the avoidance option worked like in the US.

Also worth reiterating that FSD (any form of autosteer) in UK is designed only for divided highways with controlled entry/exits and no vulnerable road users such as pedestrians and cyclists - ie motorways and some dual carriageway A roads. Only north American FSD beta is currently designed for 'city streets' and other roads - caveat designed and suitable for are not the same thing, hence beta and you must be alert at all times etc etc.

 

[AnthonyLR]

I notice FSD Beta has been added to the Model 3 manual for the UK. The Autoplilot section has a subsection titled "Full Self-Driving (Beta)"

The first paragraph says "When Full Self-Driving (Beta) (also referred to as Autosteer on City Streets) is engaged, Model 3 attempts to drive to your destination by following curves in the road, stopping at and negotiating intersections, making left and right turns, navigating roundabouts, and entering/exiting highways."

So it's definitely talking about city streets,

Manual version is dated 2024 and says "Software version: 2023.38, Europe"

This is a good sign, right?

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[WannabeOwner]

This is a good sign, right?

Model 3 attempts to drive ...

Hmmm

 

[Pink Duck]

Same page is also there in the Legacy S/X owner’s manual.

It’s all very aspirational stuff.

 

[Tony Hoyle]

Until the UNECE DCAS rules pass I can't see it happening. So maybe they're just getting ready early or maybe someone pushed the wrong button when editing it.

 

[AnthonyLR]

Until the UNECE DCAS rules pass I can't see it happening. So maybe they're just getting ready early or maybe someone pushed the wrong button when editing it.

There was something in the King's Speech about autonomous cars recently though...

 

[Pink Duck]

The 4-year consultation yet to be debated in the house of commons and fairly irrelevant while UK law still adheres to UNECE automotive regulation.

 

[randompixel]

There was something in the King's Speech about autonomous cars recently though...

That was for L4 automation with Tesla taking full responsibility if it goes wrong after stringent testing. The current FSDb is for L2 automation under the current guidelines.

 

[JupiterMan]

The 4-year consultation yet to be debated in the house of commons and fairly irrelevant while UK law still adheres to UNECE automotive regulation.

The Law commission consultation actually put forward dual legislation, where cars sold in the UK would either need to comply with UNECE or UK regulations.

As such, what eventually happens in UK may be independent of what happens with UNECE.

 

[Buckminster]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1726707165765976266

 

[MrBadger]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1726707165765976266

For those of us that don’t do twitter, can someone please post the contents of the tweet.

 

[Buckminster]

For those of us that don’t do twitter, can someone please post the contents of the tweet.

Tesla added Full Self-Driving Beta details to the user manual (UK and Europe)

 

[NewbieT]

Probably more on the Europe side than the UK side of the manual. Or just another tease in mitigation of lawsuits. We do intend to release FSDb in the UK at some point…see it’s in the manual. We just need to port it from LHD, do our legal checks and customer research groups and and and. Happy for time to prove me wrong.

 

[JupiterMan]

Probably more on the Europe side than the UK side of the manual. Or just another tease in mitigation of lawsuits. We do intend to release FSDb in the UK at some point…see it’s in the manual. We just need to port it from LHD, do our legal checks and customer research groups and and and. Happy for time to prove me wrong.

I understand your pessimism, but there have been reports of FSDBeta being tested by Tesla employees in the UK, and there have been various job listing in various RHD markets for FSDBeta test drivers also.

I too may be proven wrong, but I suspect there is much more going on behind the scenes than we currently know about. When regulations allow, things may move quickly (or not!)

 

[Jonnymack74]

Just be good to have a definitive date of arrival. Based on what I've seen fro. Videos I think I'd drop 3.4k to upgrade to FSD on my Model S. Problem is musk will just surprise announce it complete with a 5-10k increase in price

 

[MrBadger]

Yep. If it follows North American rollout it will be preceded with an announcement of imminent substantial price increase shortly followed by that increase.

 

[Pink Duck]

The Law commission consultation actually put forward dual legislation

From what I read the only dual thing about it was proposed legislation so that GB vehicles sold to NI would have the choice between UNECE and UK regulation.

 

[AnthonyLR]

Just be good to have a definitive date of arrival. Based on what I've seen fro. Videos I think I'd drop 3.4k to upgrade to FSD on my Model S. Problem is musk will just surprise announce it complete with a 5-10k increase in price

He usually gives a little notice.

 

[MrBadger]

So, if Tesla announce a doubling of the FSD price with a couple of days notice, to be followed by FSB City Streets beta rollout in UK (with some regulatory differences to what they have in North America) that only applies to FSD (not EAP or basic autopilot), will anyone then take the plunge to lock themselves in at the current price? I guess there is always (iirc) 14 day cooling off on upgrades if things don't work out.

 

[yessuz]

sorry, but I do not believe in FSD in UK... cars *sugar* bricks once they see car on the adjacent lane swivel and we are expecting it to work on roads where half of lane is blocked by parked cars?