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UP vs MPP Coilover

Coilovers


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lbowroom

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Sep 12, 2018
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Orange County
Couldn't stand the chrome trim, but I didn't black out the lights and the wheels are gunmetal, not black. I think that keeps it slightly less than murdered out.
 

Perry

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Jul 4, 2018
1,051
735
San Jose, CA
Correct. Go to their website and you will see new instructions with a new picture of the revised front strut assembly. It no longer has the tender or helper springs and it also shows you the order and placement in terms of the rubber, Teflon and stainless rings that come with the kit. Instead there is a spacer kit that goes on top that takes up some of the room that was previously consumed by the helper springs. It's not quite identical so I think there are new parameters for setting your spring height depending on how much you want to drop the car.
Aren't these the helper springs? They are still showing on their site. Could not find the new instructions on their site. Can you provide a link? Having a hard time knowing what parts to tell my installer not to use.
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dspwhite

Member
Nov 21, 2012
97
5
UK
Can either of these coilovers (UP or MPP) raise the car slightly (say by up to an inch or two) from stock, or are they only meant for lowering the car ?
 

dfwatt

Active Member
Sep 24, 2018
3,026
5,048
FL
Aren't these the helper springs? They are still showing on their site. Could not find the new instructions on their site. Can you provide a link? Having a hard time knowing what parts to tell my installer not to use.
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Yes those are the helper springs. MPP put them in both the comfort and Sport kits although they say that the helper springs are less likely to make noise in the sport kit. Additionally it's easier to get your car a lot lower with the helper springs rather than the top column which would seem to take up about an extra centimeter. Also make sure that the installer pays particularly close attention to the seating of the front shock in the fork, and to the retention of the stock OEM noise and vibration isolators particularly on the front system where my installer made the mistake of putting in MPPs rubber rings instead of the OEM isolators , and the MVP rings are not nearly as good as providing impact isolation for the front end. The instructions do emphasize retention of the OEM isolator but it seems to be a point of confusion whether to use that or the hard rubber rings in the kit. Also make sure that you take a close look at the MPP website coilover instructions which have been updated. I would print those out and hand them to the installer.
 

dfwatt

Active Member
Sep 24, 2018
3,026
5,048
FL
Can either of these coilovers (UP or MPP) raise the car slightly (say by up to an inch or two) from stock, or are they only meant for lowering the car ?

With a new top column it's possible to actually have the car higher than stock in the front but I do not believe that you can get the car higher than stock in the rear unless you do something to jack up one of the spring perches.
 

Perry

Active Member
Jul 4, 2018
1,051
735
San Jose, CA
With a new top column it's possible to actually have the car higher than stock in the front but I do not believe that you can get the car higher than stock in the rear unless you do something to jack up one of the spring perches.
Does it make for a harsher ride without the helper springs? If they are not a problem on the sport suspension should I put them on anyway?
 
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Perry

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Jul 4, 2018
1,051
735
San Jose, CA
Yes those are the helper springs. MPP put them in both the comfort and Sport kits although they say that the helper springs are less likely to make noise in the sport kit. Additionally it's easier to get your car a lot lower with the helper springs rather than the top column which would seem to take up about an extra centimeter. Also make sure that the installer pays particularly close attention to the seating of the front shock in the fork, and to the retention of the stock OEM noise and vibration isolators particularly on the front system where my installer made the mistake of putting in MPPs rubber rings instead of the OEM isolators , and the MVP rings are not nearly as good as providing impact isolation for the front end. The instructions do emphasize retention of the OEM isolator but it seems to be a point of confusion whether to use that or the hard rubber rings in the kit. Also make sure that you take a close look at the MPP website coilover instructions which have been updated. I would print those out and hand them to the installer.
Is this the stock OEM noise vibration isolator?
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Perry

Active Member
Jul 4, 2018
1,051
735
San Jose, CA
Correct. Go to their website and you will see new instructions with a new picture of the revised front strut assembly. It no longer has the tender or helper springs and it also shows you the order and placement in terms of the rubber, Teflon and stainless rings that come with the kit. Instead there is a spacer kit that goes on top that takes up some of the room that was previously consumed by the helper springs. It's not quite identical so I think there are new parameters for setting your spring height depending on how much you want to drop the car.
My kit came with no spacer kit. (no Teflon/stainless rings etc.) It came with helper springs. What is a tender?
 

Lucky13

Member
Apr 19, 2018
330
206
San Mateo, CA
I have the MPP sport setup and believe I was one of the first to receive. I have had no issues with the helper springs. I have done at about 8 track days with out a hitch. So far my setup has been great and really has made the car have that high end European feel were it's compliant for daily driving and sporty for the track all at the same time.

All I need now to complete my suspension thru out is upper camber arms. Excited for when the camber arms come as I believe it will help lower Lap times and as an added bonus save front tire shoulders.
 
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wenkan

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Dec 31, 2018
574
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Seattle
I have the MPP sport setup and believe I was one of the first to receive. I have had no issues with the helper springs. I have done at about 8 track days with out a hitch. So far my setup has been great and really has made the car have that high end European feel were it's compliant for daily driving and sporty for the track all at the same time.

All I need now to complete my suspension thru out is upper camber arms. Excited for when the camber arms come as I believe it will help lower Lap times and as an added bonus save front tire shoulders.
What is your compression/rebound setting?
 

kbecks13

Active Member
Dec 27, 2017
1,915
2,270
SoCal
NOVITEC is also offering their version of KW coilovers and KW lowering springs:

Interesting! Not sure if that picture is the actual coilover for Model 3, but it looks different than MPP version. So currently we've got UP vs KW for the coilover comparison ;)
 

kbecks13

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Dec 27, 2017
1,915
2,270
SoCal
Don't you mean Ohlin vs KW? ;)

Haha that's kinda fair, though i believe they are non-Ohlin body's and not fab'd by Ohlin (like the KW's are, i think) since they do some additional things to them. Also there is another company that makes Model 3 coilovers, but i can't find their name to save my life right now.

We really need a new Model 3 Coilover thread with all the different options, this one started way back in the day when there was maybe 1 or 2 sets from the 2x companies out in the wild and most people were voting mainly based on publicity (which MPP was incredible at with the track videos and time comparisons).

Currently i know you can get:
  1. MPP Comforts
  2. UP Regular
  3. KW Brand
  4. Novitec (KW)
  5. MPP Sport
  6. UP Race
  7. Motion Control Suspension
Also to be super clear, i think ALL of these products are very high quality and we're super fortunate to have this much diversity already available for Model 3. There is a great range of stiffness/ride quality offerings out there as well. You really can't go wrong with any of these.
 
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Lucy903

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Oct 18, 2018
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If undecided with MPP & UP Coilovers, and just go with KW VARIANT 3. Here are actual pictures and some from the installation manual. They are both less expensive. Checkout tirerack.
 

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Orwell

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Oct 1, 2018
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Anyone down for a 30 day free trial from Unplugged Performance?

From their website....

Update – Our customer feedback is so overwhelmingly positive that we’ve begun offering an unprecedented 30 day free trial for any Model 3 driver to switch from any competitor’s suspension to Unplugged Performance coilovers. Driving is believing, satisfaction guaranteed.
 
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