Lol, why you quoting me...quote the guy that's stalking the dudes "properties". I agree tho, finding out what he owned contributes nothing to this discussion.
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[UPDATED] 2 die in Tesla crash - NHTSA reports driver seat occupied
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No need to lock the door if the autolock is set to engage at a certain speed!
In the meantime, re: Consumer Reports, they may have done that demo showing an impractical, unsafe, loophole but can they stretch to reach something from the back seat without the car jumping from neutral to park as it goes through a car wash?
If the seatbelt is on, you can remove weight from the seat (at least in reverse).
CR had the belt buckled behind the driver.
Exacltly even if you make control of weight on the driver seat somebody find a solution to add weight on seat to defeat the system even if you have camera you can defeat the system is not the system the problem is the fool drivers !
The thermostat in our house had a monitoring system called "if you touch that young man, just wait until your father gets home". It was effective.
Needsdecaf
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No, but you can make it a little harder to be a clown. You should not be able to defeat the driver monitoring with a wheel weight. And the seat weight sensor going to zero should immediately sound alarms, hit the flashers, and bring the vehicle to a controlled stop.
Needsdecaf
Active Member
I was quoting you because I agreed with you. I was reinforcing your point. Sorry if you took my rant to be against you rather than the OP.
I hope they figure out exactly what impact forces and where the force was applied to cause the battery to burn like that. Then I hope Tesla recalls all model S's to fix that problem. I'm afraid to crash into a tree now.
Glad to know what your limit is. I'm much more cautious and was always afraid to crash into a tree.
I misread the post I was replying to. I thought it was the post that indicated that AP was engaged on a road without lane markings. There is such a post here, I should have replied to that one.
This was the post I was intending to reply to before. You indicated that your car has FSD.
FSD can engage in situations where a car with basic AP will not engage. Since the car in the article did not have FSD, I don't think these experiences can necessarily be applied to the situation in the article.
Basic AP only has Autosteer which only works within "a clearly marked lane". It doesn't even do lane changes.
ev_go123
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Couple problems with this test vs the crash. One, there's a cut in the video at 37s between when the car is setup with AP set to 0 and when they are moving at 17mph. What they didn't show here is that you also have to scroll the set speed up and then hit the accelerator to make the car move from 0 (as per other video demonstrating this). Hitting the accelerator doesn't make this impossible, it's just another hurtle that would need to be circumvented. Second problem is they didn't slow how fast the car will accelerate in 400 ft (distance from cul de sac to crash) from a standstill. From what other people have said on this forum, after 400ft, the car will likely not be going tremendously fast.Consumer Reports just posted a video of how it could have been done (not an S, though)....
CR Engineers Show a Tesla Will Drive With No One in the Driver's Seat
Amid speculation about the cause of a fatal crash in Texas, Consumer Reports put Tesla Autopilot to the test on our track without a driver behind the wheel. Our testing shows that a Tesla will drive with no one in the driver seat.www.consumerreports.org
The "Autopilot as standard" is the AP that won't engage without "a clearly marked lane" according to the description of the features.
If it was purchased before April 2019, then I'm not sure which version of AP you would have to buy. If it was EAP, then it would probably be able to engage without lines, but the current version of standard AP is basically just one step above "dumb cruise". It's "TACC + follow the lines" (not even lane changing enabled).
There's plenty of computing power and you can see Tesla is tracking things currently in the 3 and Y: Check Out How Tesla's In-Cabin Camera Analyses Your Face
To date, no Model S or Model X have been delivered with an in-car camera.
Tam
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Because the description of AP specifically states "within a clearly marked lane".
AP is not FSD minus the potential autonomous levels. The current AP is basically TACC + staying between lines. It doesn't even change lanes. There used to be EAP which was a lot of driver assistance features without the autonomy, but right now if you don't have FSD you have barely one step above TACC. If it's only targeted at "keeping you within a clearly marked lane" then I think the burden of proof would be on someone who has the recent AP (not the old kind you used to have to order, but the new version that is automatically included) to test out the limits of activation...
FSD adds a *LOT* of features now. Old EAP used to have most of what FSD provided, but the new basic AP has very little.
FSD adds
- lane changing
- NoA, on/off ramps
- self parking!
- summon
- traffic as you said
- city autosteer in the future
Soda Popinski
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Wasn't this a problem with people in carwashes? The car would go from Neutral to Park if they lifted their butt off the seat, to say, get out their wallet to to tip.
EVNow
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There is no ending to people's hacking capabilities. Tesla should only take do things that help people who are *not* trying to hack. Dozing off inadvertently or getting distracted by kids.
There will always be a way to hack - whatever you do.
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