What is going on with those Model 3/Y Accidents in China / Paris ?

[Dan D.]

No, you are still not getting the point. The point is to address incidents where the accelerator pedal is stuck. It's not to address incidents where people have their foot partially and barely on the brake (which as others point out is a common occurrence older people with little consequence other than brake lights continuously being illuminated)!

I have seen zero indication that fatal accidents that have occurred are because people have their foot on both pedals. It is because the accelerator pedal is stuck or because they have their foot fully on the accelerator pedal. And even if they have their foot on both, they would have it floored, in which case the brake would overwhelm the available torque.

Doing something like that adds the complexity you were criticizing previously. The action should be consistent, just like it is in a normal vehicle and a max torque limit accomplishes that. Adding speed based variables adds additional complexity that increases chances of failure in an incident.

Again you are missing the point of the system: the goal is to allow the brake override the accelerator when it gets stuck. It is not to have the brake prevent accelerator application.

The point of the system is to prevent use of the brake at the same time as the accelerator. It's not about a stuck accelerator, although that is one possibility.

Tesla does not mention "stuck accelerator", they talk about both pedal use:
Likewise, applying the brake pedal simultaneously with the accelerator pedal will override the accelerator pedal input and cut off motor torque, and regardless of the torque, sustained braking will stop the car.

In the driver video above he is applying the brake pedal simultaneously with the accelerator pedal and the Tesla does not override the accelerator pedal input and cut off motor torque. Tesla does not say how hard you have to apply the brakes.

Now it it probably true that regardless of the torque, sustained braking will stop the car. But that is a different argument. The first part of the Tesla statement is not true, the car did not cut off motor torque. Maybe it reduced it, but if so that is not clear how because the car continues to accelerate.

 

[KenC]

Someone should get Bjorn to test it, and see how much power is cut using SMT.

 

[vickh]

it is none of your guesses. this has been going on since cars were invented. check out the yellow journalism story on audi a few decades back from 60 Minutes.

this is caused by the driver hitting the wrong pedal. end of story.

had the same yellow journalism with toyota back when I bought my 2010 highlander. They had to start including maintenance to sell again.

They wouldn't do the brake override, instead they cut the brake pedal length so mat wouldn't stick