It should be easy enough to verify or deny this part:
How hard is that person pushing on the brake? Looks like it barely is depressed.
You're probably correct that the brake pedal is barely being pressed in this contrived test. Should that make a difference? Isn't the detection of brake+accelerator supposed to mean something? Just suppose the brakes have been ridden for some time and faded.
Because hill starts are required for people on steep hills, something I used fairly often before I switched to and got used to Hold. That's why a very light brake application shouldn't cut off the motor completely.
Doesn't what they state say "applying both pedals simultaneously"? i.e pressing both at the same time. I think that quote is about someone's foot being over both pedals and mashing them together.
That's a very general one sentence statement that does not fully describe how the system works. I know for a fact that there is still torque (not zero) available when both pedals are used and this is required for smooth hill starts (unless you get used to Hold mode like I did where I know how to modulate the accelerator pedal). It may be very low, but it still exists.
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It doesn't explain why the fellow in post #64 is able to accelerate from 60 to 110 km/hr while that warning message is being displayed and his foot is on the brake to some degree. Shouldn't reduced motor power prevent that kind of acceleration? Yes, he could press the brake harder but the point is he is pressing the brake and the accelerator, the car notices this, and yet the car accelerates.
But it does! He was already braking and he applied the accelerator after, which means "power reduced" not "power removed". You can see that process clearly on the video and screen.
No, it should not, because the car needs to be able to accelerate up a hill from a standstill! That's the whole point of this mode. It is not acceptable to cut all power just with some brake application. In a real emergency he would have applied more brakes and it'll come to a stop because the brakes would easily overcome the reduced torque. If he releases the brake and applies it again it would also activate the override mode.
No the driver still decides based on the order he applied the brakes vs the accelerator. The car only sets an upper limit in the second mode, but again it is the drivers decision how much torque is applied based on the accelerator. The "brake override" is intended to prevent the situation where the accelerator is stuck and the driver tries to brake. This has how all the fatal incidents have been. It is not intended to prevent you from using the accelerator after the brakes are already applied.
If I can get next to one at a stoplight and can get them to roll their window down I will inform them they have a problem with their brake light switch. It appears to be stuck on.
I don't get why that's so hard to understand. "Reduced" power is not no power. Going from 500HP to 250HP is "reduced" power but it's still 250HP, for example. Most cars don't even have 250HP.
LOL. That statement is not as safety conscious as perhaps you intended. If your numbers, which are likely picked at random, are taken into consideration. What is being said here is "if you press both pedals at once, the car will still give you more power than most cars have in total.". We're not talking about getting up a steep hill after stopping in this scenario, this guy is accelerating on a road from 60 to 110 km/hr after the car has realized he has both pedals pressed. I fail to see how this is migrating the both pedals pressed issue.
Are you listening to yourself?
No, you are still not getting the point. The point is to address incidents where the accelerator pedal is stuck. It's not to address incidents where people have their foot partially and barely on the brake (which as others point out is a common occurrence older people with little consequence other than brake lights continuously being illuminated)!
Doing something like that adds the complexity you were criticizing previously. The action should be consistent, just like it is in a normal vehicle and a max torque limit accomplishes that. Adding speed based variables adds additional complexity that increases chances of failure in an incident.
