McHoffa
CyberOwners
Yeah, but since they are no longer transferring the extended service agreement, anything above 50k miles might not be the best idea.
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What is your budget for the Model lll?
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If you buy a CPO car, even then one at $35k, it comes with a 4-year/50k warranty that starts when you buy it. So if you bought a CPO with 51k on it you are covered to 101k, or 4-years no ESA needed. (Of course I don't think Tesla currently sells CPOs with that many miles on them, but I do see some that are at ~46k right now.)
Also, Tesla has said that they will still transfer ESAs; that the change on the web site was an accident.
ModelNforNerd
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"accident".... :wink:
That was a marketing test....apparently the public was not enamored with the idea, so it became an "accident".
dgpcolorado
high altitude member
I've seen CPO cars over 50k miles; P14666 is currently listed with 50,484 miles, for example (P85, $57,300).
I was told by a Tesla CPO specialist that they will accept cars for the CPO program up to 60k miles, subject to other conditions, of course (no accidents, poor condition, and the like). He wasn't sure how old a car could be and still be eligible because none of the cars are all that old yet.
JoRey
Current Volt Owner, Aspiring Model III Owner
II could not agree more, and this is great news for me. But regardless i am putting down a deposit come March 31st. I cant really afford a Model S and still have to save at least 15,000 grand in order to buy a Model III or Model S. As a college student i want to remain, debt free.
So in that case you could look at it as if you are paying $53,300 for the car and $4,000 for the CPO warranty which is probably better than the ESA anyhow.
So it sounds like they want to stop supporting the cars at 110k miles.
dgpcolorado
high altitude member
At the upper limit. Most cars will run out of CPO warranty with fewer miles, some by a lot.
The whole "Tesla is expensive to service and repair out of warranty and there are NO independent shop options" has me concerned. Ordinarily I would like to keep a car for at least two decades. Keeping a Tesla out of warranty seems like a very expensive proposition.
Tedkidd
Member
Might be, might not be. Way to early to tell, right?
Maybe a better way of putting it would be: "Keeping a Tesla out of warranty seems like a proposition with broad and uncertain risk."
MassModel3
Member
Service center hourly rate out of warranty is $175 per hour. Pretty on par with most service centers and garages, but the cost of repair items in addition to the labor cost is the great unknown here. We know how expensive Tesla body work is based on numerous forum posts on that aspect, but when other items start to fail will Tesla costs be inline with the rest of the world, or will their monopoly on Tesla parts make purchasing them a costly endeavor? What I mean by the monopoly on their parts is that as far as I know, you can't get generic items that fit a Tesla other than the wheels and tires. Can you buy a tie rod, a door handle, a steering wheel, or a smart air suspension component from anyone other than Tesla? Not that I've ever heard, and I highly doubt it.
Hopefully this will change in the future, but for now they can charge whatever they want for components, and that scares me.
Hopefully this will change in the future, but for now they can charge whatever they want for components, and that scares me.
My budget is stretchable
Wishlists
Priority:
1. Safe
2. Right size, not too big
3. Comfortable front seats
4. Supercharger option
5. Range 200km
6. Bluetooth
Fancy:
1. Autopilot
2. Summon
3. Dashcam
Do not care:
1. Navigator
2. Performance
3. Colour
4. Back seats (may not be there as far as I am concerned)
Wishlists
Priority:
1. Safe
2. Right size, not too big
3. Comfortable front seats
4. Supercharger option
5. Range 200km
6. Bluetooth
Fancy:
1. Autopilot
2. Summon
3. Dashcam
Do not care:
1. Navigator
2. Performance
3. Colour
4. Back seats (may not be there as far as I am concerned)
Red Sage
The Cybernetic Samurai
Why? Did your arms get shorter? Fingers wither away? Eyesight improve?
A 17" diagonal measure 16:9 screen is around 14" tall, a little over 8" wide. Go sit in a 'smaller' car than a Model S, and let me know if there isn't at least that much space being taken up by whatever is in the center control area of the dashboard.
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Chevrolet, Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Buick, and Cadillac vehicles used many of the same components for decades. You can walk into any NAPA Auto Parts or PEP BOYS and find a gazillion of them on the shelves. Why? Because they are parts that were designed to fail. Everyone knows they fail. Everyone has gotten used to them failing. No one imagines a car that doesn't become a rolling, rattling, confabulation of spare parts that conveys more spare parts with every passing month. Something tells me that auto parts stores will go out of their way to learn what breaks on Tesla Motors vehicles, contact their suppliers, and make sure they have plenty of them on hand... Just in case. Just like they do with everything else.
The door handles are made in-house by Tesla Motors, I'm sure that the same guys that provide door handles for a 1976 Nova to your local parts shop will be able to replicate them as needed. The steering wheel is a design borrowed from Mercedes-Benz' supplier. The air suspension bags are likely from BOSCH. None of these are things that are of actual concern... Unless you enjoy taking a sledge hammer to your car in a drunken stupor from time-to-time.
Fear is the enemy. People buy cars from Lamborghini, Ferrari, Fiat, BMW, Porsche, and a bunch of other guys... Knowing full well their options for reliable replacement parts may be limited. How is it they can overcome that fear, uncertainty, and doubt, but are so afraid of what Tesla Motors might do? You can replace anything and everything on a De Lorean DMC 12 with actual original OEM parts -- more than three decades after I graduated high school. Doc Brown would be proud.
Don't worry about it.
ModelNforNerd
Active Member
I know it's hard to convey tone on a forum and through a keyboard, but I'm detecting smugness. We're all just throwing ideas out there. Unless you work at Tesla, you don't KNOW any of these answers either, so take it down a notch.
As to the comment of mine you so rudely shot down....yes, a smaller screen WOULD make sense, regardless of arm length or finger size....for the same reason 22" wheels wouldn't make sense either: it's about proportions in relation to the CAR itself, not the people in it. the smaller the interior, the more ridiculous a 17" screen would look. But I'm sure you took that into account before gathering 4 or 5 comments to just hatchet to death with your insider Tesla knowledge, right?
As to the comment of mine you so rudely shot down....yes, a smaller screen WOULD make sense, regardless of arm length or finger size....for the same reason 22" wheels wouldn't make sense either: it's about proportions in relation to the CAR itself, not the people in it. the smaller the interior, the more ridiculous a 17" screen would look. But I'm sure you took that into account before gathering 4 or 5 comments to just hatchet to death with your insider Tesla knowledge, right?
People don't buy $35,000 cars from Lamborghini or Ferrari. Replacement parts for BMWs and Fiats aren't that hard to come by and independant shops are available. So when people are talking about buying a $35000 Tesla it makes sense to worry about parts availability. Especially since the parts supply chain has already been a problem for some Model S owners.
JoRey
Current Volt Owner, Aspiring Model III Owner
Im sure that given time parts will become available, from many suppliers. Just dont expect non OEM parts to be available from the get-go. As with every new car from any company, it takes time for aftermarket companies to design, replicate and fit parts for any given car. Lets just not hope that we get a design like apple. A product that only accepts genuine parts and has to be reprogrammed for every new component installed. To me that is the biggest concern.
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Teslas current model IS just like Apple. They don't provide access to firmware, software or support at all for any 3rd party services. So 3rd parties will have to "hack" the car to be able to install parts.
stopcrazypp
Well-Known Member
I think he is talking about more draconian policies by Apple beyond that. Meaning parts (Lightning cables for example) that have authentication chips in them to prevent you from using 3rd party and bricking your phone when you do (see error 53 controversy with the fingerprint sensor).
But the Model S isn't a $35000 car. Parts are scarce because it's an expensive fairly rare car just like a Lamborghini or Ferrari. If the car sells a lot, people will make parts for it. That's just how things work.
You mean like if you replace a failed part in your Tesla with a part from a salvaged car that the car won't operate even though everything works? Yep, that is right where Tesla currently is. I don't think we know everything that requires a complete reflash to get the car working again but from my understanding most of it: battery, charger, inverter/DU, MCU, ICU, BCM, etc. And that is when using an "identical" Tesla part. (Door handles require a reflash, but I don't know if it prevents the car from being drivable.)
To get the thread back on topic, since the Model 3 will be Model S's little sister and used primarily for either my wife's or my work commuting only, and the Model S will be the weekend/family/travel car, I'm estimating about $50k (using the S's price guide)
Base $35k
AWD $5k
Paint $1k
AP $2.5k
Heated Steering wheel $1k
If the car will be my daily driver I'll get leather seats, too.
If the car will be my wife's daily driver, she'll want a sunroof.
Base $35k
AWD $5k
Paint $1k
AP $2.5k
Heated Steering wheel $1k
If the car will be my daily driver I'll get leather seats, too.
If the car will be my wife's daily driver, she'll want a sunroof.
stopcrazypp
Well-Known Member
There are a bunch of critical components in the Model S that may need reflash to work if changed, but only because engineering-wise that is necessary (meaning other EVs will be similar). However, Apple's policy is adding authentication of parts simply to prevent third party ones from being used. So basically even body parts that don't necessarily need this type of authentication might be added just to prevent use of third party parts. I don't think Tesla has gone to that point yet.
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